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03-12-19, 08:57 PM | #31 |
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I was thinking when I last posted in this thread. The accuracy of a watch is usually central to the watch type people choose in conjunction with the cost. I have friends I meet up with if we all get together to drive to a sports venue, like Hockey. I tend to arrive 10-15 minutes before our appointed meeting time only to discover they had the same Idea and are already there. I use my watch to time my trip and plan ahead as they do.
With regards to watch accuracy, I assume we all have cell phones. The cell phones are completely accurate and can also be set up to time things with a flip of a screen. If you are a diver, involved in military operations or things that require precision, there is a definite need for a certified chronograph time piece / watch. For others, watches are little more than jewelry. I think we all have watches that we only use for good or social occasions.There's nothing wrong with that either. I guess the point I'm making is that the accuracy of wrist watches in the face of modern contrivances like cell phones, may not be as important as it once was, for the average person. |
03-13-19, 08:23 AM | #32 |
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^ I'd tend to agree. My wife purchased a Seiko Analog Casual Watch 5 SPORTS SNZG15K1 as part of my 60th birthday present back in July 2017 (just under £100 iirc). This watch was an automatic and as such was soon found out to be gaining between 11 and fifteen seconds a day, accuracy is an important function/requirement for me and I soon tired of adjusting the watch every couple of weels.
Along came christmas (not long past) and I decided I'd like something a little more accurate so she purchased me a Seiko 7T92 (just under £200) and boy what a difference timekeeping accuracy has become, the quartz movement has meant that in the three months I've had the watch I've yet to adjust the time. For the first time in a long time I have total faith in my wristwatch and that despite the fact I could always have relied on my iPhone.
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03-13-19, 08:54 AM | #33 |
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^ I had mentioned earlier in the thread that the watch you have is incredibly accurate. People marvel at the accuracy of the Seiko 7T92 watch you have and that other watches in addition to the Seiko 7T92 may well utilize the same movement. I have read a number of positive reviews and some have said the watch is sure to double in price. Although £200 is far from cheap, it is relatively inexpensive as compared to the incredible value that it represents. It really is all the watch most people will ever need. I also believe that it's incredibly hard to beat the time keeping accuracy of a quartz. I have a number of automatics from various manufacturers and although they are alright, they can't beat a quartz.
Although as I said the phones are accurate with regards to time, it's far easier to move your wrist so your sport coat rides up just enough to view your watch for the time. It doesn't get any easier than that. The Seiko watch you have is a handsome watch as well that anyone would be proud to wear. I think your endorsement of this time piece may well influence people to look into the incredible value of this watch. Last edited by Commander Wallace; 03-13-19 at 09:07 AM. |
03-13-19, 10:37 AM | #34 |
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^ Indeed. Where can I find a wife like that ? Actually, I am looking for a nice watch for my lady for her upcoming birthday. I got her a few but looking for something else now. I looked at Citizen but will now look at Seiko to see if they have a dressy, ladies watch, with the same movement.
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03-13-19, 11:24 AM | #35 |
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Time I purchased shares in Seiko then
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03-13-19, 11:38 AM | #36 |
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Nay! The end of time as man knows it is almost here ...
Purchase a cheap Timex or even two and spend the saved dough on extra MRE kits for you and your family. You won't have to worry about what time it is when your hungry you will know it. See the smilee
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03-13-19, 03:05 PM | #37 |
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I would like to point out that not everyone either wants to or is able to carry a cell phone.
I don't carry a cell phone. I have one in my car and it stays there.
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03-14-19, 08:05 AM | #38 | |
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^ Like you and many others, I'm old school and prefer a quality time piece on my wrist. Many people do however carry cell phones and use them for everything, including as time pieces. How many times have you gone to a restaurant and saw a family dining out, only to see them sitting there with their faces buried in their phones ? They tend to text each other while sitting together and next to each other. Figure that one out. I have seen other people walk out in the middle of traffic and almost be hit because their faces were buried in their phones.
I only use my cell phone sparingly and people know to call me only if it's important or an emergency. I think cell phones are one of the worst inventions ever created. The cell phones do keep excellent time though, provided they are charged. Quote:
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03-23-19, 12:54 PM | #39 | ||||
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03-23-19, 01:43 PM | #40 |
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Just some observations
1. There was no COSC certification during our moon missions. The last Apollo moon mission was in 1972 and COSC did not come into existence until 1973. NASA did not choose a COSC certified watch for the Gemini/Apollo missions because there was no such certification at that time. The closest that was available was the "BO" certification (Bureaux officiels de contrôle de la marche des montres) 2. For a mission to the moon, a watch only needs to be accurate for a relatively short period of time. The longest moon mission was about 10 days. One does not need chronometer quality watch if the timing mission is 10 days long. 3. One also does not need a chronometer quality watch when one has a large ground support staff beaming up time signals at least every one of those 10 days. Part of the daily checklists was a synchronizing of all the timers on the space craft, including the watches. 4. The astronauts needed a way to make short relative timing actions or to act as a back up in case communication was lost. If you read the transcripts of the conversations, here was not a lot of mention of using the watches with the exception of Apollo 13 when the on-board timers were shut down. 5. The reason why the Speedmaster was chosen was less to do with any accuracy of the movement, but the resistance of that movement to temperature and pressure changes as well as shocks in G forces. The other chronographs tested, including the Rolex, broke at some time in the testing. The Speedmaster was not selected because it was the best watch accuracy wise, it was selected because it was the only watch that survived the testing! There are many valid reasons why one would choose not to pay for a COSC certified watch. The fact that none of the watches on the Apollo missions were certified chronometers is not one of them.
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03-23-19, 01:59 PM | #41 |
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At Baselworld, a constantly shrinking watch convention, Citizen reveled it's latest calibre 0100 watch.
It has an accuracy of +/- 1 second per year. Yikes, that's some accomplishment. Traditional quartz watches oscillate at 32,768 Hz. The Calibre 0100 oscillates at 8,388,608 Hz. That's a whole heapin helpin o' oscillations. And it is solar powered It's a bit.. uh.. understated in design. Not encumbered with a lot of "bells and whistles" that's for sure. If you buy the cheap version it will only cost ya $7,400. And no, it is not COSC certified. But don't worry. This watch is offered in three different models with a combined production of 800 watches, I am sure they have all been snarfed up by collectors by now. Still some accomplishment.
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03-23-19, 06:44 PM | #42 | ||
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05-10-19, 07:44 PM | #43 |
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I bought one
I finally stuck a crowbar in my wallet and ordered one. The 7007 model.
It arrived yesterday at 1800. Eleven hours later, by 0500, with 6 hours sleep, I have already decided to return it for a refund. The watch is very well made and clearly represents quality. But it's not for me. First of all, while it is not excessive large in diameter, it is amazingly thick. About 2.25 times as thick as my Omega Seamaster, which is not exactly a thin watch in itself. This watch is thick enough to be difficult to wear under a dress shirt. I knew it was a thick watch, but I did not appreciate how thick it is. However, this was the first Titanium watch I have ever had. OMG how light. Can't feel it on your wrist at all. It is some what unnerving, looking down at what appears to be a cubic foot of metal on your wrist but not feeling any weight. Second, it is a complicated watch. It has a lot of functions, which is what attracted me to it in the first place. More functions, more information on the dial. It is a busy dial. This watch has 8 hands. 8! That's pretty impressive... for the first 5 minutes. Then it starts to sink in that this means there are 8 points of failure and 8 hands to keep track of. These 8 hands live on three dials not including the main face. The main face has three hands, two of the smaller dials have two hands and one dial has one hand. That's a lotta hands on those small dials. Added to this are the dials themselves. The dials have numbers and indexes and they are not the same!. Depending on the function, sometimes you look at the numbers and sometimes you look at the indexes. On one dial you have to keep track of the multiplier depending on the function. The "1" may mean one, ten, or a hundred depending on the function. I have to admit that Epson.Seiko did a great job with these dials, but no matter what, this is a complicated watch face to use. There is probably a very good reason why watches with this many functions are better in digital than analog. Third, the functions, to be honest, have limited functionality in my life. I knew that the Altitude and Barometer would be practically useless for me. Strange as it may seem, I can go months without knowing the HectoPascals of air on top of me. Now a compass on a watch is cool. A compass on an analog watch is mega cool. The waypoint feature where you can set a base and then later the watch can tell you the direction and distance back to the base is awesome and even awesomer on an analog watch. However, the Trume costs about $1,200 more than other high end GPS synced watches that don't have a compass. Is the addition of the cool and awesome compass and waypoint system worth $1,200? No. it is really not. You can buy small GPS units that clip to your belt what will guide you back to your base and has several waypoints. These cost about $60.00. Any time I go hiking or out somewhere strange, I can carry one of these. I don't need one on my watch all the time. I somehow manage to survive my 17 mile daily commute in a car with only two GPS nav units. I am a survivor. Forth, the watch is ugly. I am talking Casio ugly. Now, I have written before that I think that Casio watches offer the best value when it comes to functionality, price, durability. They really can't be beat. For me, the killer is the looks. I find the Casio GPS watches fugly. The Trume is up there with the Casio. It is probably a little better looking, but still in the ugly class. Many people like how the Casios look and that's great. Fifth, I am honestly too old for this watch. This watch would look good on a 20 something or 20 something wanna be. It is rugged, unique, and filled with cool useless functions. However a 60 year old man wearing this watch, in a suit, going into a board meeting will look ridiculous. I wish I could have seen this watch in a store in the US. This is one of the disadvantages of buying a JDM watch. You are purchasing a swine in a shed. Fortunately I purchased it though Shoppinginjapan.net which is a legitimate company with a reasonable return process. This watch will spend about twice as long in transit as I wore it. It was an interesting experience. I had fun wearing this watch for the first hour. It is beautifully made. It is a good watch! Just not good for me. So back to the horological dreaming board. I am thinking of the Seiko Astron 8X82. It's about half the price of the Trume and looks, to me, to be a much more respectable attractive watch. How will I manage to survive without having a compass on my watch. I think I will do nicely actually. Just a final word. DO NOT GET INTO WATCHES!
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05-10-19, 09:41 PM | #44 |
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Don't worry about me. I hate things hanging on my arms unless they are feminine.
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05-10-19, 09:49 PM | #45 |
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/\ it just didn't 'sing to your wrist'!!?? Which is rule one of watch preferences
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