GER politics thread - Page 29

STEED · 09-27-17, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Yep, thats Germany today, the snippet August quotes in that minivideo unfortunately is VERY representative for the Zeitgeist here in Germany, absolutely. In speeches on TV, president's or chancellor's news years adresses and so forth, you always see the EU flag in front, and the German flag put behind it, covered by it.

An old joke over here holds it that Merkel just executes Erich Honnecker's late revenge against the "BRD" (=FRG).

Oh dear its worst than I was informed about on the news here. Thank goodness like Sky & Cat filling in what has been left out.

Skybird · 09-28-17, 11:06 AM

In German:

http://www.theeuropean.de/wolfram-we...-in-die-kritik

A possible worst case scenario. After some weeks, the SPD will kick its arrogant leader/lloser Martin Schulz, and accept a continuation of the great coalition, which will bring Germany another four/five more years of the same.

One could also say it would be a betrayal of the voters.

Merkel however, proudly declaring she cannot imagine at all that anything must be changed in her courses plot, would be utmost happy. This scenario would solve all her problems, and she can continue just as if nothing ever had happened.

A German nightmare. Merkel is like a kraken strangling Germany to death.

August · 09-28-17, 08:56 PM

Well that's just sad. I wonder when I return to Germany which I must in the next couple years whether I will recognize it.

Catfish · 09-29-17, 05:03 AM

Nonsense, Merkel of the CDU will of course be in the new government, she has the most votes after all.
What the SPD does or not, is of no concern in the short run. It is only honest from Schulz to admit they did not get the votes. Worst result after 1949 for the SPD.

To have a real discussion and effort to improve things, it is only good that the SPD is now in the opposite camp and developing new ideas, maybe this will make some people aware of what this new government is lacking.

Skybird · 09-29-17, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Worst result after 1949 for the SPD.

For the CDU as well.

STEED · 11-20-17, 08:03 AM

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What next for Angela Merkel after German government talks collapse?

https://news.sky.com/story/what-next...lapse-11135368

Where is our man on the street who can separate fact from BS, Skybird you are needed.

So what options are open angry Merkel? Are you heading for another election?

Catfish · 11-20-17, 08:39 AM

The "FDP" had some real fun blowing it all up

All of the parties had the will for a compromise, but not the FDP.
The FDP's role of a "beleidigte Leberwurst" [~act "like a prima donna") was of course staged, all comments and the final speech had been there a fortnight ago. They are the party of the 0,1 percent who want to give money to those who deserve it – the billionaires. People are just too dumb to read their program, so this is how they raked in the 10 percent of votes.

However Merkel has a problem now. How i wish it wasn't the only one

Maybe we can send her to Rhodesia err Merkelia err Zimbabwe

Skybird · 11-20-17, 11:23 AM

Long lists of foul compromises that would have rendered every party's claimed positions nill and void anyway. No loss. No gain. the misery goes on. Having a mixed coalition with four different parties, would have been misery as well. And plentyof pointlessness.

Merkel is done. No loss, but agaon, nobody comign after her will do lesser damage.

Only plenty of bad and worst options: before the election, during the negotiaton, and now. Even a great coalition again would be a disaster. The political system is as eroded and in lack of substance, as is the monetarian system.

Its all over but the crying. More of it to follow next year. No good oiptions are left anymore, its all a mess, no matter what gets done.

Catfish · 11-20-17, 12:12 PM

Schroeder · 11-20-17, 12:17 PM

Frankly I'm quite glad that thee "Jamaica coalition" didn't come to being. Too many parties with too different views. They would only have been able to agree to minimalist compromises and to nothing that would moved the country forward.

Jimbuna · 11-20-17, 04:05 PM

I reckon another election and she'll eventually remain in power but her status as 'head' of the EU has been considerably weakened.

STEED · 11-20-17, 04:27 PM

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said she would prefer new elections to leading a minority government, after a breakdown in coalition talks plunged the country into political crisis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42057108

All we need is her to fail and that may see the end of her.

Jimbuna · 11-21-17, 06:59 AM

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"It is better not to govern than to govern badly."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...collapse-video

Skybird · 11-21-17, 07:29 AM

Merkel is so disconnected from reality that since quite some time she shows the self-understanding of a nonredeemable monarch. She simply cannot see when it is game over.

Mugabe, anyone?

Its bad if she stays. It is bad with those coming after her. There is no suitable candidate. The whole poltical pseudo-elite is a mess. They all should go and make room for people who were not bred from the parties' systems and established networks. The parties and their self-interests are not the ones bringing solutions -. they are the problem.

Catfish · 11-21-17, 07:35 AM

Germany is there, with or without Merkel. Politicians are overrated

09-28-17, 11:06 AM	#422
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,538 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	In German: http://www.theeuropean.de/wolfram-we...-in-die-kritik A possible worst case scenario. After some weeks, the SPD will kick its arrogant leader/lloser Martin Schulz, and accept a continuation of the great coalition, which will bring Germany another four/five more years of the same. One could also say it would be a betrayal of the voters. Merkel however, proudly declaring she cannot imagine at all that anything must be changed in her courses plot, would be utmost happy. This scenario would solve all her problems, and she can continue just as if nothing ever had happened. A German nightmare. Merkel is like a kraken strangling Germany to death. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-28-17, 08:56 PM	#423
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,682 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well that's just sad. I wonder when I return to Germany which I must in the next couple years whether I will recognize it. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

09-29-17, 05:03 AM	#424
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Nonsense, Merkel of the CDU will of course be in the new government, she has the most votes after all. What the SPD does or not, is of no concern in the short run. It is only honest from Schulz to admit they did not get the votes. Worst result after 1949 for the SPD. To have a real discussion and effort to improve things, it is only good that the SPD is now in the opposite camp and developing new ideas, maybe this will make some people aware of what this new government is lacking. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-20-17, 08:39 AM	#427
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The "FDP" had some real fun blowing it all up All of the parties had the will for a compromise, but not the FDP. The FDP's role of a "beleidigte Leberwurst" [~act "like a prima donna") was of course staged, all comments and the final speech had been there a fortnight ago. They are the party of the 0,1 percent who want to give money to those who deserve it – the billionaires. People are just too dumb to read their program, so this is how they raked in the 10 percent of votes. However Merkel has a problem now. How i wish it wasn't the only one Maybe we can send her to Rhodesia err Merkelia err Zimbabwe __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-20-17, 11:23 AM	#428
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,538 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Long lists of foul compromises that would have rendered every party's claimed positions nill and void anyway. No loss. No gain. the misery goes on. Having a mixed coalition with four different parties, would have been misery as well. And plentyof pointlessness. Merkel is done. No loss, but agaon, nobody comign after her will do lesser damage. Only plenty of bad and worst options: before the election, during the negotiaton, and now. Even a great coalition again would be a disaster. The political system is as eroded and in lack of substance, as is the monetarian system. Its all over but the crying. More of it to follow next year. No good oiptions are left anymore, its all a mess, no matter what gets done. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-20-17, 12:12 PM	#429
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	__________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-20-17, 12:17 PM	#430
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Frankly I'm quite glad that thee "Jamaica coalition" didn't come to being. Too many parties with too different views. They would only have been able to agree to minimalist compromises and to nothing that would moved the country forward. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

11-20-17, 04:05 PM	#431
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I reckon another election and she'll eventually remain in power but her status as 'head' of the EU has been considerably weakened. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

11-21-17, 07:29 AM	#434
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,538 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Merkel is so disconnected from reality that since quite some time she shows the self-understanding of a nonredeemable monarch. She simply cannot see when it is game over. Mugabe, anyone? Its bad if she stays. It is bad with those coming after her. There is no suitable candidate. The whole poltical pseudo-elite is a mess. They all should go and make room for people who were not bred from the parties' systems and established networks. The parties and their self-interests are not the ones bringing solutions -. they are the problem. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-21-17, 07:35 AM	#435
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Germany is there, with or without Merkel. Politicians are overrated __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.