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03-27-13, 06:24 PM | #1 | |
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Texas advances bill to require drug screening for welfare
First off, the Fourth Amendment says the government can't search you without probable cause. So now we're saying that if you're on welfare, that's a criminal behavior that opens you up to governmental search?
So now you say I'm a bleeding heart liberal with a soft spot for welfare queens? Ok, let's talk about it in terms that the Tea Party loooooves to harp on. Government spending. Let's talk money and math. How many drug addicts do you think you're going to catch here out of all the welfare recipients tested? 20%? 10%? 1%? Let's look at Florida, where a similar law was put into place: Quote:
And not to mention that a federal appeals court struck down Florida's law. Waste of my taxpayer dollars.
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03-27-13, 06:55 PM | #2 |
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Well, the amendments have been ignored for the past four years. What's another one being ignored?
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03-27-13, 07:15 PM | #3 |
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People must learn to take responsibility for themselves. Public money should not be spend for paying the consummation of drugs. I am for solidarity when somebody gets into trouble and falls down the social ladder due to accident, bad fate, disease. But it should be solidarity that shows in helping him to help himself. Not for sitting at home, taking other people's money and spending it for tons of softdrinks, cigarettes and huge flatscreen TVs.
Or worse: buying drugs. Maybe even trading them? Social wellfare to criminals? No inviting prospect for me. At best considering it for a program to help people abandoning the drug or criminal scene. Help them to help themselves. Violating this principle - see Europe where it leads. It sends the social security system over the fiscal cliff. People in Europe do not want to realize it, but the simple truth is: the ambitious, excessive social wellfare state a la Europe, has failed. It is unsustainable and non-affordable over the long term. We wanted too much, we lost reasonable standards and sense of proportion.
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03-27-13, 07:33 PM | #4 |
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What a load of silliness.
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03-27-13, 07:41 PM | #5 |
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I have to consent to a drug test to draw my paycheck... whats the difference???
I move to pass a law to defund welfare and redirect those funds to a more useful end.
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To me, this idea is more about whipping up anti-welfare-cheat feeling rather than er, whatever it's supposed to be doing. It can't be about making sure taxpayer's money isn't spent on drugs. If that were the idea, then you'd have to take a drug test to qualify for tax credits, qualify for electric car purchase credit, get health insurance for your kids in some cases. It goes on and on. Oh yeah, and drug tests for everyone in the public sector before they get paid. So it's not about keeping money from druggies. It's about looking like you're getting tough on "takers".
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03-27-13, 08:20 PM | #7 |
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03-27-13, 07:25 PM | #8 |
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Exactly. If they can infringe on the American peoples right to keep and bear arms they can certainly infringe on any other right with impunity.
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Something to think about.....
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03-28-13, 06:35 AM | #11 | |
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(An analysis by the state showed that the drug testing requirement didn’t tamp down applications.) As for it not being a violation - well, you're wrong. It's irrelevant whether someone is going to apply for welfare voluntarily or not. It's a government service that is provided to someone that's paid for by their tax dollars. The judge who blocked the law found the same: "In October, a federal judge in Orlando temporarily blocked the state of Florida from conducting drug tests on welfare applicants. U.S. District Judge Mary S. Scriven wrote in her ruling that drug tests are “well established” as a means of search under the Fourth Amendment and that the state had not demonstrated a substantial need to justify “suspicionless” drug testing. " The mere act of applying for welfare is not a crime worthy enough of a government search of your person.
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03-28-13, 08:13 AM | #12 |
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03-28-13, 08:20 AM | #13 |
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Improving and fixing the welfare system is a great goal. This is not the way to do it, however. It's childish and simplistic thinking that wastes taxpayer dollars.
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03-28-13, 08:31 AM | #14 |
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Oh, sure, because we know 99% of welfare recipients would pass the drug test. People who work have to pass drug screening to pay taxes for those who take welfare.
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James Madison even believed that Federally funded schools were a subversion of what the U.S. Government was meant to do. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2903629/posts "The Constitution allows only the means which are ‘necessary,’ not those which are merely ‘convenient,’ for effecting the enumerated powers. If such a latitude of construction be allowed to this phrase as to give any non-enumerated power, it will go to every one, for there is not one which ingenuity may not torture into a convenience in some instance or other, to some one of so long a list of enumerated powers. It would swallow up all the delegated powers, and reduce the whole to one power, as before observed" - Thomas Jefferson, 1791 Jefferson was arguing against the constitutionality of Alexander Hamilton's proposal for a National Bank, but his thoughts on other areas of Federal dabbling are obvious. "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson, 1798 And some later presidents: "[I must question] the constitutionality and propriety of the Federal Government assuming to enter into a novel and vast field of legislation, namely, that of providing for the care and support of all those … who by any form of calamity become fit objects of public philanthropy ... I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for making the Federal Government the great almoner of public charity throughout the United States. To do so would, in my judgment, be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive of the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded." - President Franklin Pierce, 1854 "I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit." - President Grover Cleveland, 1887 "We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to so appropriate a dollar of the public money." - Congressman David Crockett, 1830. All the above quotes are from this article: http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/constitution.html A short article by a man for whom I have the utmost respect: http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/artic...detective.html I believe that all public welfare and health care issues should be the provenance of the States, not the Federal Government.
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