UK Politics Thread - Page 503

STEED · 12-31-17, 06:50 AM

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Britons will feel "renewed confidence and pride" in 2018, Theresa May has said in her new year message.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42523607

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Labour is "staking out the new centre ground in British politics", Jeremy Corbyn has said in a new year message.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42524076

LibDems next...

STEED · 12-31-17, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

How i see it with an of course outlandish point of view (not that i really know so much about political logic in my country

), i indeed think that England (which also means the UK, but England setting the course) has bigger problems than "brexit". Some of it is mentioned here in this article:

This is what we really think about Brexit in Germany

"The biggest challenge for me was to try and understand those Brexiteers who enjoy all of the advantages that come with belonging to the EU but still decided to demonise it for being either a socialist conspiracy or a particularly grotesque embodiment of capitalism."

"We travelled through Northern Ireland, Scotland, the South of England and the Midlands, where very often not a single person had anything positive to say about the EU and believed it was responsible for all problems facing the UK – unemployment, lack of integration, low wages, overcrowded schools and hospitals, traffic and the downfall of British industry."

"I was genuinely shocked by the state of some of the towns, and by the many people I met who felt neglected and who were now driven by resentment. It made me feel very German because I longingly thought of the bundesfinanzausgleich (equalisation payment mechanism), a system that aims at balancing the wealth of the Bundesländer and leads to a fairer distribution of funds throughout the country."

"In a more or less desperate attempt to view the situation more objectively, I visualised to what extent the EU is an institution particularly profitable to Germany, politically and economically, and the way it has been glorified by the Germans throughout recent history. I came to realise how distorted the German view of the EU is – distorted by affection, as opposed to the hostility I was observing in the UK."

Also, that: What do Germans think about Brexit? They pity us.

"A couple of Germans will have raised a glass to the British flipping the bird at the EU establishment on Thursday night. But politically that sentiment has been voiced only in minority fringes, such as the Anti-capitalist Left group of the German Left party, or the wilder edges of Alternative für Deutschland, the party that was founded on an anti-euro ticket in 2013 and has since grown on the back of populist anti-refugee messages."

The latter is not what Germany thinks now though, i think. But the shock and disbelief was indeed present and felt here.
Unfortunately, like in Germany, the big clean up mentioned by Steed will probably never come

So the UK is against and Germany supports and both countries are wrong. Heres a idea, We should mate with one another and in 20 on years time the results should be worth investigating.

Jimbuna · 12-31-17, 07:02 AM

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Britons will feel "renewed confidence and pride" in 2018, Theresa May has said in her new year message.

I'll believe that if and only when I personally feel that way.

STEED · 12-31-17, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'll believe that if and only when I personally feel that way.

Welcome to STEED's world.

Jimbuna · 12-31-17, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Welcome to STEED's world.

Oh, no thanks

Skybird · 12-31-17, 08:28 AM

What many people do not understand, foreigners and Germans alike, is to what degree WWII has destroyed any German self-identity, and wish for it. The German idealization of the big, nation-less continental supertstate is owed to the fact that Germans want to melt into this big community for one reason only: to no longer be German. this wish is due to two reasons: lacking knowledge of German history which is much more than just one and a half decade of Nazi terror, and the devastation that the experience of the nazi regime has left in the German psyche (that now is almost non-existent).

Instead of concluding that next time Germans need to fight, they should make sure they fight for the right and the lawful, for justice and for freedom, they said: "Never no fighting again never no more, no matter what" ("Nie wieder Krieg"). Which of course then necessarily implies that it is better to tolerate evil than to confront it and actively stand up against it with more than just love parades and public igniting of candles.

At the same time there is this German, still present, missonary spirit, the belief that the world just sits in waiting to follow the idealistic exampels set by Germany. Our forefathers were the perfect monsters, now we want to be the perfect penitents and the perfetc world-improvers. But in a way this attitude is not different from the supremacist belief that the Nazis based their ideology on.

This often gets not understood by non-Germans . And not by most Germans anyway. But it explains why Germany gets pulled over the table in the EU so often, and why it accepts and allows it, and why the views on power and EU are so different in the UK and Germany.

I stick to it: the germans are hysterical romanticists.

I read some months ago a quote by Napoleon, where he said, in his time already, that although the Germans sentmentally are one of the most sympathetic people in Europe, they probbaly also are the dumbest of them all: you only need to throw them any parole you imagine, and then you can see them going after each other in most merciless, brutal fashion, and no mere claim can be absurd enough as if Germans neverthelss would not most enthusiastically believe it. Considering the many, partially already spoiled, claims and promises made about the EU and other things like certain practical implications of environment or alternative agricultural policies, especially the last part of Napoleons assessment is still so very much true.

Hysterical romanticists. Mark my words: Germany still is dangerous to the world, and especially Europe. Not militarily, but it again leads the continent into its demise. By other means than by war, but still.

"Identity" is something that has historically grown, it cannot be artificially prescribed and commanded for and replaced by bureaucrats according to their latest, newest, coolest short time ideology. That is what the EU rejects to understand. Because it would be a death sentence to its high-flying plans.

STEED · 12-31-17, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Oh, no thanks

You can not resist free beer and a good laugh.

And now prediction time...

Local elections will see a up turn for Labour and a down turn for the conservatives.

Round two of Brexit will weaken Maybot even more but she will remain as PM.

Old JC will continual to declare he is ready for government. While that dodgy movement takes charge of the Labour party.

LibDems will in most part will be lost in the maze and from time to time pop their head up to prove they are still here.

SNP may step up more pressure on PM May and the DUP will get its way on getting more money.

More resignations and sacking in the government go without saying and scandals you can bet your ass there will be.

STEED · 12-31-17, 07:37 PM

2018 is here so lets get stuck in...

Beer all round.

Normal service will resume soon.

STEED · 01-01-18, 06:24 AM

CARE TO NOTE YOU WILL NEED TO LOG IN TO THE TIMES TO READ THE FULL STORY

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Most Britons believe that their job will be safe in 2018 and house prices will rise, according to a wide-ranging poll for The Times

I find that hard to believe about jobs and if house prices rise the bubble could burst.

Here's the Mail's take on this story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html?ITO=1490

Brexit boost my arse.

Jimbuna · 01-01-18, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

CARE TO NOTE YOU WILL NEED TO LOG IN TO THE TIMES TO READ THE FULL STORY

I find that hard to believe about jobs and if house prices rise the bubble could burst.

Here's the Mail's take on this story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html?ITO=1490

Brexit boost my arse.

Quoted for posterity.

Jimbuna · 01-01-18, 03:21 PM

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The UK's aid budget will be shifted to projects that promote its interests, the foreign secretary has said.

Boris Johnson said the money will be "more sensibly distributed" to support foreign policy aims such as denying safe havens to Islamist militants.

His comments came as Penny Mordaunt, the international development secretary, said the UK will provide a £21m boost to an emergency aid fund.

The UK currently spends £13bn on aid each year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42528712

Now this is a seismic shift in the right direction.

STEED · 01-02-18, 06:40 AM

FAT CATS STRIKE BACK...

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Rail fare rises: Commuters 'priced off' UK trains, protestors say

Average rail ticket prices have risen by 3.4% across the UK, in the biggest increase to fares since 2013.
Protests are under way at some 40 stations, as many commuters see their season tickets go up by more than £100.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42536159

Fatcats will always win unless you rise up and they know that will not happen.

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Chris Grayling has insisted he is not "shirking" his job by travelling to Qatar on the day the biggest rise in UK rail fares since 2013 came into effect.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42540370

Oh come off it with that old one.

STEED · 01-02-18, 06:47 PM

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Theresa May declares 'personal mission' to fix housing crisis

The PM promises to "restore the dream of home ownership" - but Labour says she has "no plans to fix the housing crisis".

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...risis-11193361

I get the impression from all of them that none of them know how to fix this problem.

Skybird · 01-02-18, 07:05 PM

What was it that started the outbreak of the US debt crsis before 2007 - wasn't it about Clintonian order for banks giving credit to buyers of houses who by their income could not afford to buy houses or pay back credits...?

In 2000, I moved into my current flat, as a leaseholder. Four years later, I bought it. I paid the price in full in cash, so to speak, did not take any credit. I still think this is trhe only way to realyl, honestly buy things of material value. You cannot buy what you cannot afford. That simple. Cannot pay the price? Get somethign else that is cheaper, or save more money. Nobody would ever have needed to "save my dream" - by triggering a mortgage crisis.

Dreams do not give you claim. Realising them for you is not something the others owe to you. You have to realise your dream by yourself.

Jimbuna · 01-03-18, 07:49 AM

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Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt has apologised to patients in England affected by a decision to postpone tens of thousands of operations in January.

Non-urgent treatments had already been postponed until mid-January, but NHS England said on Tuesday that would now be extended to the end of the month.

It came after hospitals reported they were struggling to cope with the surge in patients being seen since Christmas.

Mr Hunt said it was "absolutely not what I want".

But he said the move was needed given the pressure hospitals were under.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42552267

This situation at this time of year is predictable but Mr Hunt has been the Health Secretary for quite a while now improvements are long overdue.

He's also got the thickest teflon coat in the cabinet.

12-31-17, 08:28 AM	#7536
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,496 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	What many people do not understand, foreigners and Germans alike, is to what degree WWII has destroyed any German self-identity, and wish for it. The German idealization of the big, nation-less continental supertstate is owed to the fact that Germans want to melt into this big community for one reason only: to no longer be German. this wish is due to two reasons: lacking knowledge of German history which is much more than just one and a half decade of Nazi terror, and the devastation that the experience of the nazi regime has left in the German psyche (that now is almost non-existent). Instead of concluding that next time Germans need to fight, they should make sure they fight for the right and the lawful, for justice and for freedom, they said: "Never no fighting again never no more, no matter what" ("Nie wieder Krieg"). Which of course then necessarily implies that it is better to tolerate evil than to confront it and actively stand up against it with more than just love parades and public igniting of candles. At the same time there is this German, still present, missonary spirit, the belief that the world just sits in waiting to follow the idealistic exampels set by Germany. Our forefathers were the perfect monsters, now we want to be the perfect penitents and the perfetc world-improvers. But in a way this attitude is not different from the supremacist belief that the Nazis based their ideology on. This often gets not understood by non-Germans . And not by most Germans anyway. But it explains why Germany gets pulled over the table in the EU so often, and why it accepts and allows it, and why the views on power and EU are so different in the UK and Germany. I stick to it: the germans are hysterical romanticists. I read some months ago a quote by Napoleon, where he said, in his time already, that although the Germans sentmentally are one of the most sympathetic people in Europe, they probbaly also are the dumbest of them all: you only need to throw them any parole you imagine, and then you can see them going after each other in most merciless, brutal fashion, and no mere claim can be absurd enough as if Germans neverthelss would not most enthusiastically believe it. Considering the many, partially already spoiled, claims and promises made about the EU and other things like certain practical implications of environment or alternative agricultural policies, especially the last part of Napoleons assessment is still so very much true. Hysterical romanticists. Mark my words: Germany still is dangerous to the world, and especially Europe. Not militarily, but it again leads the continent into its demise. By other means than by war, but still. "Identity" is something that has historically grown, it cannot be artificially prescribed and commanded for and replaced by bureaucrats according to their latest, newest, coolest short time ideology. That is what the EU rejects to understand. Because it would be a death sentence to its high-flying plans. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 12-31-17 at 09:41 AM.

12-31-17, 07:37 PM	#7538
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	2018 is here so lets get stuck in... Beer all round. Normal service will resume soon. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

01-02-18, 07:05 PM	#7544
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,496 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	What was it that started the outbreak of the US debt crsis before 2007 - wasn't it about Clintonian order for banks giving credit to buyers of houses who by their income could not afford to buy houses or pay back credits...? In 2000, I moved into my current flat, as a leaseholder. Four years later, I bought it. I paid the price in full in cash, so to speak, did not take any credit. I still think this is trhe only way to realyl, honestly buy things of material value. You cannot buy what you cannot afford. That simple. Cannot pay the price? Get somethign else that is cheaper, or save more money. Nobody would ever have needed to "save my dream" - by triggering a mortgage crisis. Dreams do not give you claim. Realising them for you is not something the others owe to you. You have to realise your dream by yourself. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.