US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

When we don’t get a repeat of President Obama’s mistakes.

That's just the point. Trump is not declaring victory in Afghanistan. Quite the opposite, he is giving up on the objective of nation building, which was not even why we went over there in the first place. Our original objective of rooting out AQ from their training camps was accomplished long ago and now almost two decades later we're still there futilely trying to reshape an unwilling people into our own political image. At what point do we decide we're just not going to be able to pull it off? 30 years? 50? 100?

Just don't expect a general to answer that, because it's not how they think. They'll tell you we keep at it for whatever it takes for as long as it takes, and all the blood and death that entails will in their mind will be increasing justification to keep going.

In Afghanistan's case it's been 20 years of holding back the tide with no end in sight. No corner has been turned or is there even any light at the end of the tunnel (to quote some famous generals) in Afghanistan so maybe Trump is right and it's time to get off the merry-go-round so to speak.

[Hawk66]

Originally Posted by August

You claim that you're just being sarcastic but then accuse me of being arrogant for the same thing? Sounds pretty hypocritical no?
As for commenting on German history, well seeing as how I've had family members loose their lives fighting for the Fatherland in both world wars I think I have every right to do so.

"We are not the Germans" and your further comment here, do not indicate, you meant that sarcastic - although I can understand a bit your emotions regarding this aspect due to your family history.

I guess it is the best, we stop the discussion here. I guess we both can agree on that we hardly agree on anything with respect to politics.

[eddie]

Well, here we go. Trump visits our Troops in Iraq, and now the Iraqi Govt wants our troops out. Plus the Iranian militias in Iraq said if we don't leave on our own, they will use other means to make us leave. Sounds like a threat, so we will see how Trump responds.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by eddie

Well, here we go. Trump visits our Troops in Iraq, and now the Iraqi Govt wants our troops out. Plus the Iranian militias in Iraq said if we don't leave on our own, they will use other means to make us leave. Sounds like a threat, so we will see how Trump responds.

And then there's the possibility that someone screwed up and showed the Seal Team 5 faces publicly. (the guys on Trump's twitter vid with the NVGs on etc.), tho this is unconfirmed.

[eddie]

I saw that Dowly, will be interesting to see how this turns out.


This from Newsweek about the photo op with Seal Team 5. Unreal.


https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-video-1272102

[August]

You have to be kidding. Nobody forced the Seals to have their pictures taken, nor would the Seal team commander ever allow it if there was an issue. I predict this latest bit of fake news will amount to nothing as usual.

[August]

Oh, the lengths media will go to sour Trump's Christmas visit to troops

Forget bias. Forget animus. Forget missing a self-awareness gene. And forget attempts to outdo yesterday's hyperbole with uber-hyperbole. Because, when it comes to coverage of the Trump administration and the figure at the top of it, what many in our media have become is utterly, tediously predictable.
Exhibit A this week is the president's surprise visit to troops in Iraq. Leading up to it was a story by NBC News that went viral, declaring that Trump would be the first commander in chief since 2002 to forego the presidential tradition of visiting troops at Christmastime. The story was picked up by dozens of news organizations, including this one.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...isit-to-troops

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by August

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...isit-to-troops

I saw that and the next thing I know, after waking up Christmas morning, was the news of Trumps surprise visit with the first lady to Iraq in tow no less.

Then I thought maybe NBC was working for the Secret Service or the CIA to keep it secret.

Wrong again I said to my lame brain

They just wanted to share their dislike for the POTUS

[August]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I saw that and the next thing I know, after waking up Christmas morning, was the news of Trumps surprise visit with the first lady to Iraq in tow no less.

Then I thought maybe NBC was working for the Secret Service or the CIA to keep it secret.

Wrong again I said to my lame brain

They just wanted to share their dislike for the POTUS

And anyone else who doesn't agree with them apparently. Another thing they are complaining about is those young troops with the maga hats. Can you imagine that they are actually are trying to get them in trouble with the military for that?

A ray of light on the dark horizon - so there is still hope and salvation.

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[Skybird]

One of the two leftiest daily mainstream newspapers in Germany hails one of the leftiest politicians in the US.

Quelle surprise.


After Clinton I thought it could not get worse, and so came Bush jr. After Bush i though it could not get worse, and then came Obama. After Obama I thought it could not get worse, and then came Trump. I thought so far it could not get worse after Trump, but the Democrats have quite some promising names in their quiver.


I just slammed two Democrat and two Republican "presidents". Shall nobody say I am biased or unfair. I slam them all. Maybe that is the true meaning of Islam.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I just slammed two Democrat and two Republican "presidents". Shall nobody say I am biased or unfair. I slam them all. Maybe that is the true meaning of Islam.

Trump isn't docile enough to be a republican, he's a man of the "working" people.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a bright spot in our western world. She has the power to extinguish this parasitic, assiocial, social-racking and treasonous demagogue named Donald Trump and to bring his criminal family to the penal system.

By the way - anyone who actively participates in treason, as by supporting the traitor as such, is equally punishable.

Donald Trump is a traitor to the nation and should be punished accordingly, as are his fellow Crimean fellows - they are all guilty of absolute betrayal.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Bleiente

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a bright spot in our western world.

I disagree.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a media darling for all the wrong reasons. The self identifying Socialist has a very poor grasp of how the political system she is about to enter works and despite having a degree in economics seems to know little about that either. But hey not to worry. That hasn't stopped others from saying and doing stupid things as well. The left wing media feeds on people like her without ever asking themselves why. The answer of course is ... ratings.

I wish the young lady all the luck in the world. Where she's going she's gonna need it.

Originally Posted by u crank

I disagree.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a media darling for all the wrong reasons. The self identifying Socialist has a very poor grasp of how the political system she is about to enter works and despite having a degree in economics seems to know little about that either. But hey not to worry. That hasn't stopped others from saying and doing stupid things as well. The left wing media feeds on people like her without ever asking themselves why. The answer of course is ... ratings.

I wish the young lady all the luck in the world. Where she's going she's gonna need it.

Oh, yes - she has what it takes.
And should something happen on their way there, the world knows automatically - it was the criminal Trump with his best buddy Putin.