Shall we talk about file sizes in mods? - Page 2

Jeff-Groves · 11-25-18, 07:12 PM

Dynamic Shadows.
The very first patch for SH3 removed this failed controller.
What was NOT removed is all the SHD_whatever 3D meshes from the dats nor the controller embedded in the dats.
Waste of space and processor time to read and ignore.

Water Reflections in most cases is the same.
No need for a separate 3D mesh.
Just assign the controller to the main mesh.
Very rare cases you may need the original way.

Some may say "If it's not being used what's the harm?"
How much processor time is wasted to read and refuse the ID's in those controllers and does it reject those ID's if assigned elsewhere?
Remember, Names in dat's don't really mean a thing. (Open most clones and see for yourself) It's that ID number that is the most important thing.

areo16 · 01-25-19, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

We do know that it is only necessary to load one 3d model to complete a full render of a more complex in Game unit.
I use the Maunsell Forts in GWX as an example. Open those with S3D and see how it was done. There are examples in the original release of SH3 so I did not invent the idea. The prospect was there from the start!

I just wanted to clarify on this point.

Can we reference a model ID that is outside of the dat file?

Because S3D will not be able to link it, but SH3 will know where to find it?

Jeff-Groves · 01-25-19, 03:52 PM

Yes. That's how location files work for one example.

areo16 · 01-25-19, 05:54 PM

I looked. This is true, however in location files they are chunk type 11 not chunk type 4. I wonder If we can convert the type 4s in the unit files to 11s. And I believe the referenced models would have to be in the Library directory. As I think all the Location model references, the models live in the Library.

Jeff-Groves · 01-25-19, 05:56 PM

Best way to find out is to try it.

areo16 · 01-25-19, 06:07 PM

Well if the type 11s can reference outside dat, perhaps the type 4s can too. But maybe they only look in Library?

I'll test both conditions.

Looks like the type 11s can't have any other node's attach to them, including materials.

Takes investigating.

11-25-18, 07:12 PM	#1
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,321 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	Dynamic Shadows. The very first patch for SH3 removed this failed controller. What was NOT removed is all the SHD_whatever 3D meshes from the dats nor the controller embedded in the dats. Waste of space and processor time to read and ignore. Water Reflections in most cases is the same. No need for a separate 3D mesh. Just assign the controller to the main mesh. Very rare cases you may need the original way. Some may say "If it's not being used what's the harm?" How much processor time is wasted to read and refuse the ID's in those controllers and does it reject those ID's if assigned elsewhere? Remember, Names in dat's don't really mean a thing. (Open most clones and see for yourself) It's that ID number that is the most important thing. __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

01-25-19, 03:52 PM	#3
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,321 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	Yes. That's how location files work for one example.

01-25-19, 05:54 PM	#4
areo16 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 377 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	I looked. This is true, however in location files they are chunk type 11 not chunk type 4. I wonder If we can convert the type 4s in the unit files to 11s. And I believe the referenced models would have to be in the Library directory. As I think all the Location model references, the models live in the Library.

01-25-19, 05:56 PM	#5
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,321 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	Best way to find out is to try it.

01-25-19, 06:07 PM	#6
areo16 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 377 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Well if the type 11s can reference outside dat, perhaps the type 4s can too. But maybe they only look in Library? I'll test both conditions. Looks like the type 11s can't have any other node's attach to them, including materials. Takes investigating.