[REL] Eye Patch for Missing Eyes and Staring Crew - Page 8

Sailor Steve · 10-15-09, 02:59 PM

JSGME is universal, so the latest version is nice but not necessary, and there is no special SH4 version. It works fine for me, both with RFB and OM, so I would suspect something wrong in the order you have them installed.

rfxcasey · 10-15-09, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

JSGME is universal, so the latest version is nice but not necessary, and there is no special SH4 version. It works fine for me, both with RFB and OM, so I would suspect something wrong in the order you have them installed.

I'm not too sure about that. What other order is there. I installed SH4 v1.4 from the DVD and no joy. I installed SH4 Gold addition v1.5 with the U-boat expansion and no joy. I installed TMO as per the instructions and no joy. I installed the eyefix as per the instructions and no joy. I have always had this freakin missing eye thing and it never goes away. The funny thing is if I do a quick mission it doesn't happen or at least appears that it doesn't I haven't tested it too much, put if I do a career or campaign it does. Hate to say it but this game was totally half assed from day one. Just a rushed buggy sub par product in my opinion and Ubi doesn't seem to give a hoot.

longam · 10-15-09, 06:14 PM

wasn't it also related to vid cards or drivers?

rfxcasey · 10-15-09, 07:51 PM

Sorry to change subjects really quick but why is this forums so buggy. I constantly have to log in for everything I do and I post I just posted got lost and never showed up. Very frustrating. That aside, I'm using a 4830 with the latest catalyst drivers. I am wondering if there is something wrong with the z buffering implementation in the game. Oh and one more question why is the external camera so slow. Even holding down shift it is painfully slow. Is there anything I can do to make it more like SH3 speed.

Ducimus · 10-15-09, 10:07 PM

Thought i would clarify earlier confusion with the two marine.dat files located in TMO, and probably FOTRS, and maybe RFB, i have no idea.

Marine.dat
is a pre UBM file. It does not contain any uboat crew data at all. None what so ever. It is being used for two reasons.
1.) for whatever reason i've never been able to figure out, it renders the US crew MUCH better then the updated marine.dat file that came with the UBM add on. See here for picture comparision: ( http://forum.kickinbak.com/viewtopic...6&t=328&p=1978 )

2.)Officers cover is shaped properly thanks to CaptainCox's mod.

Marine2.dat
This is the UBM file, and was purposely renamed so the game had the resource to render Uboat crews.

Now as mentioned previously, the game doesn't care what dat files are named, only whats in them. Node ID's and such. Right now, with those two files, its rendering US crew perfectly , while still rendering Uboat crews. The pre UBM marine.dat file is taking presence over the post UBM Marine2.dat file. I really don't know why, my only guess is the game is looking at the marine files in logical/numberical sequence. Having said that, ive always been suspicious of the game getting the two files confused. Having both in place, i dont think that should be working.... but it does. Never figured out why, i think that this crew rendering solution was in poor form, but i never had the time (or desire) to go back and find a better fix for it.

Anyway, thats why those two files are there. My question now is, does this eyeball fix work? If so, how does it work?

rfxcasey · 10-16-09, 01:06 AM

Thanks for the reply, but no it isn't working. I'm going to try and install it again just for the sake of argument. If what you say is true why can't you just remove the file you don't want the game to use? I really don't know anything about it so I may be totally off base here but you made it sound like there are 2 files conflicting. I know enough programming to get myself in trouble but I am willing to help do some leg work on this and help sort it out if you have any suggestions. I really like the game less the missing eyes. My external view is painfully slow too with or without using shift. Is there a way to fix that. Also I was weened on SH3 GWX but the interface in SH4 is totally different. I am having trouble in particular with setting torp depth, speed and triggering (impact/magnetic) as it doesn't seem very similar to SH3. Still, the eye thing takes priority.

rfxcasey · 10-16-09, 02:56 AM

OK, I got it working, I didn't realize you had to remove the marine2 file. Now the eyes have it! Or should I say, the CREW have eyes....hehe. I it didn't take me much playing around to realize I don't like the TMO mod. There is no external view while submerged. And while some probably thing that is kool cause it's more realistic for me it is just less fun. If you want realizism, the next time your sub gets sunk stick your head in a bucket of water until you pass out. How that for realizism?

Ducimus · 10-16-09, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rfxcasey

OK, I got it working, I didn't realize you had to remove the marine2 file. Now the eyes have it! Or should I say, the CREW have eyes....hehe. I it didn't take me much playing around to realize I don't like the TMO mod. There is no external view while submerged. And while so probably thing that is kool cause it's more realistic for me it is less fun. If you want realizism, the next time your sub gets sunk stick your head in a bucket of water until you pass out. How that for realizism?

(insert blunt and unvarnished negative response here)

Anvart · 10-16-09, 12:28 PM

This old cud has lost taste for a long time already...

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfxcasey

I'm not too sure about that. What other order is there. I installed SH4 v1.4 from the DVD and no joy. I installed SH4 Gold addition v1.5 with the U-boat expansion and no joy. I installed TMO as per the instructions and no joy. I installed the eyefix as per the instructions and no joy. ...

I played SH4 v. 1.5 without any mods (excepting my own) and had no problems with eyes ...
look:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=150430

rfxcasey · 10-16-09, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rfxcasey

OK, I got it working, I didn't realize you had to remove the marine2 file. Now the eyes have it! Or should I say, the CREW have eyes....hehe. I it didn't take me much playing around to realize I don't like the TMO mod. There is no external view while submerged. And while so probably thing that is kool cause it's more realistic for me it is less fun. If you want realizism, the next time your sub gets sunk stick your head in a bucket of water until you pass out. How that for realizism?

Wow, way to butcher a comment.... Stupid fingers! Stupid words!

The funny thing is I reinstalled the game without the mods and used the stock version eyeball fix, now they have eyes they are just either all black or all white. OMG! Can someone please give me there original or working marine.dat file, I didn't back it up before I overwrote it.

rfxcasey · 10-19-09, 02:42 AM

I popped in the eyefix marine.dat file to my install of the SH4 Gold edition which comes with the uboat pack. I overwrote the original without checking to see if the eye thing was working before hand. Don't ask it's a long story. Can someone with post there stock working marine.dat or tell me how to extract it from the cab file. I think the cab is a proprietary format cause I can't view it in XP. I just don't wanna reinstall the whole thing.

virtualpender · 10-19-09, 07:13 PM

Casey, I don't mean to be rude but since you insulted Ducimus and all of his hard work which the rest of us all enjoy very much I don't think anyone is going to be inclined to help you with your issue. I suggest you reinstall.

Good luck.

rfxcasey · 10-24-09, 12:32 AM

Hum, you must be one of those. Oh well, to clarify I don't think I did or intended to offend anyone. And if he WAS offended, why don't you let him say so, OK. I am so tired of forum butt kissers it's not funny. Mind your own business and quit tiring to start crap. This isn't even worth my time

, BUT, SH4 has had many bugs, as have several other Ubi products I have used, some of which seem rushed, and mostly some were, as can be backed up in many articles written by reputable reviewers some of which have actually discussed this with the dev team. It usually isn't the devs fault just that business in business as far as the corp side is concerned

. The other thing that is frustrating is that the hoped for fixes sometimes never come along of have to be made my someone else. Wasn't insulting the mod either, I thinks it's really nice, but don't get me wrong I am not typing this as an admission of guilt only to justify when I ask you, WTF???

Nisgeis · 10-27-09, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Anvart

This old cud has lost taste for a long time already...

You should stop chewing over the same old thing over and over then. No one was interested before and no one is interested in you now, no matter how much you try to hijack this thread. Just get over it and carry on. I told you well over two years ago about this. You'd be much happier if you just dropped the whole thing. No one will think any less of you if you do, but if you carry on they probably will think less of you. Some sort of has been probably.

Someone set up up the bomb. Gentleman, mods are live, no matter we download them. Stop the loser spam to change the adjustment. He is loose. Ignore the cats, the cats are loose. The mod works, so set us up the mod.

10-27-09, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rfxcasey

Hum, you must be one of those. Oh well, to clarify I don't think I did or intended to offend anyone. And if he WAS offended, why don't you let him say so, OK.

did you not understand the "off with their heads" animation as a response to your harsh words about TMO?

ducimus has been around a long time and chose to just leave it at that and not get into a further discussion about it.

i would caution you to remember that people help others when they feel the help is appreciated but we are not hear to "serve" you or to be treated as thou we owe you help in any way.

please remember you are "asking" for help and you should try to be less critical of someone elses mod. if you dont like it thats fine and saying why you dont like it is fine too but its not necessary to insult others work.

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Originally Posted by rfxcasey

I am so tired of forum butt kissers it's not funny.

this comment was totally out of line and uncalled for and serves no purpose except to invite further negative comments.

10-15-09, 02:59 PM	#106
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	JSGME is universal, so the latest version is nice but not necessary, and there is no special SH4 version. It works fine for me, both with RFB and OM, so I would suspect something wrong in the order you have them installed. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-16-09, 02:56 AM	#112
rfxcasey Bosun Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 68 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	OK, I got it working, I didn't realize you had to remove the marine2 file. Now the eyes have it! Or should I say, the CREW have eyes....hehe. I it didn't take me much playing around to realize I don't like the TMO mod. There is no external view while submerged. And while some probably thing that is kool cause it's more realistic for me it is just less fun. If you want realizism, the next time your sub gets sunk stick your head in a bucket of water until you pass out. How that for realizism? Last edited by rfxcasey; 07-20-10 at 11:51 AM.

10-19-09, 07:13 PM	#117
virtualpender Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 381 Downloads: 281 Uploads: 0	Casey, I don't mean to be rude but since you insulted Ducimus and all of his hard work which the rest of us all enjoy very much I don't think anyone is going to be inclined to help you with your issue. I suggest you reinstall. Good luck. Last edited by virtualpender; 10-21-09 at 04:56 PM.

10-15-09, 06:14 PM	#108
longam Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,014 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	wasn't it also related to vid cards or drivers?

10-15-09, 07:51 PM	#109
rfxcasey Bosun Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 68 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Sorry to change subjects really quick but why is this forums so buggy. I constantly have to log in for everything I do and I post I just posted got lost and never showed up. Very frustrating. That aside, I'm using a 4830 with the latest catalyst drivers. I am wondering if there is something wrong with the z buffering implementation in the game. Oh and one more question why is the external camera so slow. Even holding down shift it is painfully slow. Is there anything I can do to make it more like SH3 speed.

10-15-09, 10:07 PM	#110
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Thought i would clarify earlier confusion with the two marine.dat files located in TMO, and probably FOTRS, and maybe RFB, i have no idea. Marine.dat is a pre UBM file. It does not contain any uboat crew data at all. None what so ever. It is being used for two reasons. 1.) for whatever reason i've never been able to figure out, it renders the US crew MUCH better then the updated marine.dat file that came with the UBM add on. See here for picture comparision: ( http://forum.kickinbak.com/viewtopic...6&t=328&p=1978 ) 2.)Officers cover is shaped properly thanks to CaptainCox's mod. Marine2.dat This is the UBM file, and was purposely renamed so the game had the resource to render Uboat crews. Now as mentioned previously, the game doesn't care what dat files are named, only whats in them. Node ID's and such. Right now, with those two files, its rendering US crew perfectly , while still rendering Uboat crews. The pre UBM marine.dat file is taking presence over the post UBM Marine2.dat file. I really don't know why, my only guess is the game is looking at the marine files in logical/numberical sequence. Having said that, ive always been suspicious of the game getting the two files confused. Having both in place, i dont think that should be working.... but it does. Never figured out why, i think that this crew rendering solution was in poor form, but i never had the time (or desire) to go back and find a better fix for it. Anyway, thats why those two files are there. My question now is, does this eyeball fix work? If so, how does it work?

10-16-09, 01:06 AM	#111
rfxcasey Bosun Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 68 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the reply, but no it isn't working. I'm going to try and install it again just for the sake of argument. If what you say is true why can't you just remove the file you don't want the game to use? I really don't know anything about it so I may be totally off base here but you made it sound like there are 2 files conflicting. I know enough programming to get myself in trouble but I am willing to help do some leg work on this and help sort it out if you have any suggestions. I really like the game less the missing eyes. My external view is painfully slow too with or without using shift. Is there a way to fix that. Also I was weened on SH3 GWX but the interface in SH4 is totally different. I am having trouble in particular with setting torp depth, speed and triggering (impact/magnetic) as it doesn't seem very similar to SH3. Still, the eye thing takes priority.

10-19-09, 02:42 AM	#116
rfxcasey Bosun Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 68 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I popped in the eyefix marine.dat file to my install of the SH4 Gold edition which comes with the uboat pack. I overwrote the original without checking to see if the eye thing was working before hand. Don't ask it's a long story. Can someone with post there stock working marine.dat or tell me how to extract it from the cab file. I think the cab is a proprietary format cause I can't view it in XP. I just don't wanna reinstall the whole thing.

10-24-09, 12:32 AM	#118
rfxcasey Bosun Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 68 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hum, you must be one of those. Oh well, to clarify I don't think I did or intended to offend anyone. And if he WAS offended, why don't you let him say so, OK. I am so tired of forum butt kissers it's not funny. Mind your own business and quit tiring to start crap. This isn't even worth my time , BUT, SH4 has had many bugs, as have several other Ubi products I have used, some of which seem rushed, and mostly some were, as can be backed up in many articles written by reputable reviewers some of which have actually discussed this with the dev team. It usually isn't the devs fault just that business in business as far as the corp side is concerned . The other thing that is frustrating is that the hoped for fixes sometimes never come along of have to be made my someone else. Wasn't insulting the mod either, I thinks it's really nice, but don't get me wrong I am not typing this as an admission of guilt only to justify when I ask you, WTF???