AUKUS - Page 11

Jimbuna · 09-19-22, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

A nice clear explanation. Thanks for positing it

Your welcome

Reece · 09-19-22, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

I agree too !

I hope no more future contracts between australia and France

So do I.

Jimbuna · 09-20-22, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

So do I.

Exocet25fr · 09-20-22, 11:13 AM

HO ! clever persons here......

Reece · 09-21-22, 05:42 AM

Call it a weakness!!

Jimbuna · 09-21-22, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

Call it a weakness!!

Or even wisdom

Skybird · 03-09-23, 09:02 AM

Australia will buy 5 Virginia boats form the US in the 2030s. That is an interims solution, they want to rebuild a new class for the time after those buyings, basing on the British Astute class and American submarine technology.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2023-03-08/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-counter-china

https://www.wsj.com/articles/austral...nsion-1bd94418

The long haul solution - if they are able to financially maintain it through all those years.

ET2SN · 03-09-23, 12:17 PM

I'm hearing rumblings that it will be several Astute class boats.

This makes more sense to me. No worries about the steering wheel being on the wrong side.

Actually, the Astute class would be better due to the amount of littoral waters near Oz plus the UK no longer needs the blueprints and already worked out all of the bugs. Cross training would be a little easier as well.

The Virginia class is good but the hulls are also longer which complicates a lot of things.

Skybird · 03-09-23, 01:18 PM

I do not speculate, only give latest news reports from today.

ET2SN · 03-09-23, 02:22 PM

Who are you going to trust, The Wall Street Journal or ....me?

The WSJ reported that something will initially be built in the US, they didn't say it would be a Virginia class boat.

I think the reporters are jumping the gun a bit. The reactor and engine room stuff are rumored to be US-designed. Building the initial boats at E-B or in Norfolk doesn't stack up. The Navy wants more Va. class boats ASAP. Building the AUKUS boats would mean doubling the size and payroll of the US shipyards unless the US Navy is happy chilling out for several years (BTW, don't forget the new Columbia class SSBN). See where something has to give?

Skybird · 03-09-23, 02:44 PM

I linked three articles from Reuters, WSJ, and Bloomberg. All three articles say what they say, and they do not say anything different.

I cannot argue with any of them, I am not in a position to do so. I just link these three articles, they are all from yesterday.

I found it in a German story, that also provided the three links in its summary of them all three. The summary is: first five "quick" boats of American design to get a first solution to close the most urgent holes, and then a longer lasting development most likely including tech from the US and from the Astutes.

Reece · 03-09-23, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ET2SN

This makes more sense to me. No worries about the steering wheel being on the wrong side.

mapuc · 03-09-23, 06:09 PM

Hmm I thought the steering wheel on a sub was positioned somehow in the middle of the width of the sub.

Markus

Skybird · 03-09-23, 06:17 PM

The side of the steering wheel does not concern me since the captain commands it with voice controls anyway ("Make it so"), but in Down Under I think up must mean down, and down means up?

I would control the construction of the dive planes on anything build in Australia two and three times before boarding. Else I may find I brought a swimsuite while indeed the sub goes flying.

Reece · 03-09-23, 06:38 PM

09-20-22, 11:13 AM	#154
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09-21-22, 05:42 AM	#155
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,792 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Call it a weakness!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

03-09-23, 09:02 AM	#157
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,553 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Australia will buy 5 Virginia boats form the US in the 2030s. That is an interims solution, they want to rebuild a new class for the time after those buyings, basing on the British Astute class and American submarine technology. https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2023-03-08/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-counter-china https://www.wsj.com/articles/austral...nsion-1bd94418 The long haul solution - if they are able to financially maintain it through all those years. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-09-23, 01:18 PM	#159
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,553 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I do not speculate, only give latest news reports from today. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-09-23, 02:22 PM	#160
ET2SN ET2/SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,531 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Who are you going to trust, The Wall Street Journal or ....me? The WSJ reported that something will initially be built in the US, they didn't say it would be a Virginia class boat. I think the reporters are jumping the gun a bit. The reactor and engine room stuff are rumored to be US-designed. Building the initial boats at E-B or in Norfolk doesn't stack up. The Navy wants more Va. class boats ASAP. Building the AUKUS boats would mean doubling the size and payroll of the US shipyards unless the US Navy is happy chilling out for several years (BTW, don't forget the new Columbia class SSBN). See where something has to give? Last edited by ET2SN; 03-09-23 at 02:34 PM.

03-09-23, 12:17 PM	#158
ET2SN ET2/SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,531 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	I'm hearing rumblings that it will be several Astute class boats. This makes more sense to me. No worries about the steering wheel being on the wrong side. Actually, the Astute class would be better due to the amount of littoral waters near Oz plus the UK no longer needs the blueprints and already worked out all of the bugs. Cross training would be a little easier as well. The Virginia class is good but the hulls are also longer which complicates a lot of things.

03-09-23, 02:44 PM	#161
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,553 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I linked three articles from Reuters, WSJ, and Bloomberg. All three articles say what they say, and they do not say anything different. I cannot argue with any of them, I am not in a position to do so. I just link these three articles, they are all from yesterday. I found it in a German story, that also provided the three links in its summary of them all three. The summary is: first five "quick" boats of American design to get a first solution to close the most urgent holes, and then a longer lasting development most likely including tech from the US and from the Astutes. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-09-23, 06:09 PM	#163
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,943 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Hmm I thought the steering wheel on a sub was positioned somehow in the middle of the width of the sub. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

03-09-23, 06:17 PM	#164
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,553 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The side of the steering wheel does not concern me since the captain commands it with voice controls anyway ("Make it so"), but in Down Under I think up must mean down, and down means up? I would control the construction of the dive planes on anything build in Australia two and three times before boarding. Else I may find I brought a swimsuite while indeed the sub goes flying. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-09-23, 06:38 PM	#165
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,792 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	__________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*