Working on a new submarine sim: Sub Commander - advice needed! - Page 28

USS Drum · 12-23-14, 12:43 AM

After playing the game for a few hours, I thought I would offer some feedback about things I think could be changed for the better:

1) Nuclear war doesn't make much sense at the moment, so I would like to see it expanded upon.
2) Throughout my entire time playing the game, I have only encountered one enemy submarine, and the very brief duel I had with him(He hit me with a torp and then ran off) was very intense and exciting, so increase the amount of enemy subs.
3) More in-depth sub combat, noisemakers, the ability to dodge torpedoes better etc.
4) I've only played about 5 minutes in the Foxtrot, but a snorkel would be nice.
5) Rear torpedo tubes.
6) The enemy actually attempting to dodge your torpedoes(At this point, there primary maneuver is just "Turn away and hope for the best").
7) Last one, ship-borne helicopters that should make trying to evade destroyers much more difficult.

Tango589 · 12-23-14, 09:33 AM

Hi Geoff, loving the latest update with the diesel Foxtrot Class, brings back many happy memories of SH3! Whilst the full screen crash problem is being investigated, is there any way to make the windowed resolution bigger, as a work around?

JerikTelorian · 12-23-14, 02:56 PM

To add another voice to the discussion in difficulty, I think it might be nice to maintain a lower difficulty mode, if you can.

There's a very fun game in and of itself trying to maintain the boat and put out fires (literal and figurative!). Sometimes my patrols without bumping into enemies are the most interesting, trying to limp a wounded boat back to port in the face of a rapidly destabilizing situation are the most fun. I often find that when I bump into a task force, I'm getting solidly crushed (which is probably the way things should be, but I'm not sure how to shoot out juicy targets in a group like that?)

Part of this, too, is that I (despite having played SH4 a decent bit!) have never grokked the unique blend of patience and gut-feeling initiative the captains here have

, and this game gives a nice taste of that without making me really delve into a methodology that I'm just not sure I'm capable of.

I'm certainly not suggesting that additional AI and difficulty work should be ignored, but rather that it might be nice to have an "Arcade" or similar difficulty setting that lets you focus more on the managing of the boat and punishes poor submariner technique a bit less aggressively.

USS Drum · 12-23-14, 05:07 PM

I think I found a bug on the Foxtrot, it appears that crewmen can not access the equipment locker.

TheGeoff · 12-23-14, 07:43 PM

Interesting suggestions. Most of them are now on the to-do list and they will hopefully be addressed soon.

The fullscreen bug has now been fixed - it was a very simple problem, can't believe it took so long to figure out

The bug with the equipment locker on Foxtrot class subs has also been fixed. Both download links in the first post of this thread now point to the updated version.

submersiblevalor84 · 12-24-14, 02:27 AM

I was trying out the new mini-update with the Foxtrot, but I decided to go with the November to see how a SSBN works in this game. After taking out some Israeli vessels and securing a military alliance with Pakistan, I got trigger happy and tried to launch a nuke at Narvik. And as the title said, I got a CTD... I hope it can be fixed in the near-future!

Aktungbby · 12-24-14, 04:12 AM

submersiblevalor84! we seem to have missed your first two posts; forgive our bad manners!

Jimbuna · 12-24-14, 08:04 AM

Welcome to SubSim submersiblevalor84

Woxor · 12-24-14, 10:01 AM

As of the last update, where the fullscreen was fixed, I am currently CTD'ing a few seconds after starting a game, and immediately when opening the map. Any idea as to why?

EDIT: Turns out turning OpenGL off fixed this, however I CTD when launching nukes so that's another one to look into.

Wojtek94 · 12-24-14, 05:17 PM

Hmm... I think about one thing-random crush depth. If I set this to 310 meters sub take damage and water when I pass this limit. I know about random durability of pressure hull parts but its little annoying because crash depth have so detailed limit. Its possible to better randomize this? In one situation 310 meters give us a heavy leaking for other on 320 meter we get only little etc. For me it will be ideal option

USS Drum · 12-24-14, 06:49 PM

Is it possible to edit the models of existing submarines? I'm currently planning on making a submarine based on the Alfa and the default model would be great in that role with a few edits(Mostly changing the overall shape of the hull and the position and shape of the stern diving planes).

Edit: Also, how do you set how fast a sub runs on the surface?

Tango589 · 12-25-14, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USS Drum

Is it possible to edit the models of existing submarines? I'm currently planning on making a submarine based on the Alfa and the default model would be great in that role with a few edits(Mostly changing the overall shape of the hull and the position and shape of the stern diving planes).

Edit: Also, how do you set how fast a sub runs on the surface?

Hi Drum, it is possible to edit existing subs with the development kit, just open the desired sub in the editor and doodle away!

From looking at the subs performance file, it looks like the maximum speed is set there (for submerged running) and all other speeds are percentages of that, so the only way to increase the surface speed is to increase he overall speed (unless Geoff has some clever trickery up his Australian sleeve...)

USS Drum · 12-26-14, 12:39 AM

Apparently I was using the old version of the editor.

Edit: I can't seem to download the new editor, are there other mirrors I could use?

LHLF · 12-30-14, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGeoff

Also, I've decided to do something to make the game more approachable to new players. I am considering the following:

- Making a proper pdf manual with diagrams and tutorials
- Making an online tutorial, possibly with gifs or videos
- Making a wiki

Which would you all prefer? Personally I think either a manual or wiki is the best option, but I'm open to ideas / suggestions.

Did no one answer to this question? I read the comments that came afterwards and it seemed that there was not a single person supporting this.

YES, PLEASE make a proper pdf manual!

A wiki would be awesome too, but since wikis take a long time to be formed and to become somewhat complete and reliable (especially with all the updates that change a lot of things), a nice, complete manual would be perfect for us who are still starting to learn the ropes and commands.
It would be great if it could include some tips about what to do in the beginning, how to be prepared for accidents and unexpected things too!

anakim · 12-31-14, 12:35 PM

Hi ! Everybody,

First this game are very cool, i'am an ancient seaman on submarine (sory for my poor english).

i have suggestion for fun .

1) It possible to have surface vessel for playable asset in the future ?
2) Captain Log's for diplomacy event and hit.
3) Same as dwarf fortress , continue game with other submarine after death.

thanks for this awesome gameGeoff

12-23-14, 09:33 AM	#407
Tango589 Still crazy as ever! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: A little south of sanity Posts: 3,358 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 1	Sub Commander 0.27 Hi Geoff, loving the latest update with the diesel Foxtrot Class, brings back many happy memories of SH3! Whilst the full screen crash problem is being investigated, is there any way to make the windowed resolution bigger, as a work around? __________________ Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way...

12-23-14, 07:43 PM	#410
TheGeoff Planesman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 37°47'S 144°58'E (Melbourne, Australia) Posts: 197 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Interesting suggestions. Most of them are now on the to-do list and they will hopefully be addressed soon. The fullscreen bug has now been fixed - it was a very simple problem, can't believe it took so long to figure out The bug with the equipment locker on Foxtrot class subs has also been fixed. Both download links in the first post of this thread now point to the updated version. __________________ Sub Commander: A free roguelike submarine simulator

12-24-14, 02:27 AM	#411
submersiblevalor84 Nub Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	CTD after launching a November nuke at Narvik I was trying out the new mini-update with the Foxtrot, but I decided to go with the November to see how a SSBN works in this game. After taking out some Israeli vessels and securing a military alliance with Pakistan, I got trigger happy and tried to launch a nuke at Narvik. And as the title said, I got a CTD... I hope it can be fixed in the near-future!

12-24-14, 04:12 AM	#412
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,865 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	welcome aboard! submersiblevalor84! we seem to have missed your first two posts; forgive our bad manners! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

12-24-14, 08:04 AM	#413
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Welcome to SubSim submersiblevalor84 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

12-23-14, 12:43 AM	#406
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	After playing the game for a few hours, I thought I would offer some feedback about things I think could be changed for the better: 1) Nuclear war doesn't make much sense at the moment, so I would like to see it expanded upon. 2) Throughout my entire time playing the game, I have only encountered one enemy submarine, and the very brief duel I had with him(He hit me with a torp and then ran off) was very intense and exciting, so increase the amount of enemy subs. 3) More in-depth sub combat, noisemakers, the ability to dodge torpedoes better etc. 4) I've only played about 5 minutes in the Foxtrot, but a snorkel would be nice. 5) Rear torpedo tubes. 6) The enemy actually attempting to dodge your torpedoes(At this point, there primary maneuver is just "Turn away and hope for the best"). 7) Last one, ship-borne helicopters that should make trying to evade destroyers much more difficult.

12-23-14, 02:56 PM	#408
JerikTelorian Watch Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 17 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	To add another voice to the discussion in difficulty, I think it might be nice to maintain a lower difficulty mode, if you can. There's a very fun game in and of itself trying to maintain the boat and put out fires (literal and figurative!). Sometimes my patrols without bumping into enemies are the most interesting, trying to limp a wounded boat back to port in the face of a rapidly destabilizing situation are the most fun. I often find that when I bump into a task force, I'm getting solidly crushed (which is probably the way things should be, but I'm not sure how to shoot out juicy targets in a group like that?) Part of this, too, is that I (despite having played SH4 a decent bit!) have never grokked the unique blend of patience and gut-feeling initiative the captains here have , and this game gives a nice taste of that without making me really delve into a methodology that I'm just not sure I'm capable of. I'm certainly not suggesting that additional AI and difficulty work should be ignored, but rather that it might be nice to have an "Arcade" or similar difficulty setting that lets you focus more on the managing of the boat and punishes poor submariner technique a bit less aggressively.

12-23-14, 05:07 PM	#409
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	I think I found a bug on the Foxtrot, it appears that crewmen can not access the equipment locker.

12-24-14, 10:01 AM	#414
Woxor Watch Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 15 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	As of the last update, where the fullscreen was fixed, I am currently CTD'ing a few seconds after starting a game, and immediately when opening the map. Any idea as to why? EDIT: Turns out turning OpenGL off fixed this, however I CTD when launching nukes so that's another one to look into. Last edited by Woxor; 12-24-14 at 03:54 PM.

12-24-14, 05:17 PM	#415
Wojtek94 Watch Join Date: May 2014 Location: Poland Posts: 20 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Hmm... I think about one thing-random crush depth. If I set this to 310 meters sub take damage and water when I pass this limit. I know about random durability of pressure hull parts but its little annoying because crash depth have so detailed limit. Its possible to better randomize this? In one situation 310 meters give us a heavy leaking for other on 320 meter we get only little etc. For me it will be ideal option

12-24-14, 06:49 PM	#416
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Is it possible to edit the models of existing submarines? I'm currently planning on making a submarine based on the Alfa and the default model would be great in that role with a few edits(Mostly changing the overall shape of the hull and the position and shape of the stern diving planes). Edit: Also, how do you set how fast a sub runs on the surface? Last edited by USS Drum; 12-24-14 at 08:08 PM.

12-26-14, 12:39 AM	#418
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Apparently I was using the old version of the editor. Edit: I can't seem to download the new editor, are there other mirrors I could use? Last edited by USS Drum; 12-26-14 at 02:54 PM.

12-31-14, 12:35 PM	#420
anakim Bilge Rat Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Hi ! Everybody, First this game are very cool, i'am an ancient seaman on submarine (sory for my poor english). i have suggestion for fun . 1) It possible to have surface vessel for playable asset in the future ? 2) Captain Log's for diplomacy event and hit. 3) Same as dwarf fortress , continue game with other submarine after death. thanks for this awesome gameGeoff