The return of the Nazis and fascists

01-06-19, 02:04 PM

The brown tide - it's everywhere...

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Kapitan · 01-06-19, 03:51 PM

It tends to go that way when there's been a shift too far to the left, problem is the EU is very liberal IMHO and that gets up the nose of the working classes.

I will think that come the next 40 years the EU will be a shadow of itself history says if you fail to learn from the mistakes your doomed to repeat them, i foresee a massive economic down turn in the EU inside the next 2 decades.

I also think the next country to leave on their own accord will l be France.

Catfish · 01-06-19, 04:32 PM

Some people cannot stand the idea of foreign people coming into their country, even if they are fugitives. There are certainly some economic fugitives, and some criminals, and those deliver the ammunition for the far right-wingers to discredit all.
Maybe Europe is too liberal when it comes to immigration, and there are problems, and the rise of the right wing parties in Germany especially in economical weak counties like Saxonia and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern will be a problem. I still think it is better to help fugitives, but i seem to be pretty alone here.

What i absolutely miss is a european-wide clear position regarding immigration to all countries. We cannot let Greece and Turkey take the burden, while on the other hand Romania just closes its borders, while Germany seemingly ignores problems and gets on with business as usual.

edit: the EU indeed creates immigration numbers for its members to accept, usually based on financial strength and the number of the nation's inhabitants, to allow for a certain percentage of immigrants. Certain members like Romania simply refuse though. Of course e.g. Poland is not the classical immigration country, so it is easier for them. Romania is just putting on a show, while England (ab)uses real or made-up immigration numbers for its brexit. Fact is also that according to international law, a lot of countries would have to accept more immigrants than even the EU planned, for its members. So if e.g. England leaves and accepts international law, there will be even more immigrants. Or it disregards this law.

I would like to see the real actors in the Middle East to take responsibility, and accept immigrants. But the US are far away, and Russia does not seem to be the #1 choice for immigrants. Not that they would let them in anyway.

mapuc · 01-06-19, 05:48 PM

Let me get this straight

After having read the original article

I got the feeling or understanding that:

If you belong to the rightwing and, or are critical to EU more less you are either nazi or fascist.

I belong to the rightwing(not extreme though) and are critical to the way EU have turned into.

I for once are NOT nazi or fascist.

I see myself as an rightwing leftis.

Markus

CDR DPH · 01-06-19, 08:56 PM

Going forward more and more people will be on the move to countries that offer the chance of a better life, economically and politically. Spurred on by the successes of those that have gone before them they will all soon come to believe it is their turn and they deserve exactly the same.

Unfortunately, religious beliefs are seldom compromised and as history has shown are not very compatible or interchangeable.

Climate change, war, famine, water shortages all loom on the horizon. Countries that accept everyone who wants to come now, will at some point have to face the reality that they can accept no more. Yet more and more want to come and will arrive at the door with arms outstretched and will not accept that the inn is full.

Those who have already arrived, are not really interested in integrating into a new society. They are not inherently accepting of the the value system in their new country but choose to overlook this in the short term as they establish themselves in their own nationalist communities to promote and support their own values, their own prejudices and their own morality in addition to all the other belief baggage they bring with them.

More legitimate and faux refugees will come. All will circumvent the established processes for legal immigration. If you detect a problem now, just wait a few years. Wait for the newcomers to establish and organize themselves and begin to gain political influence first at the local level then the national level. Wait for the sectarian conflicts to flare up, pitting Mohammad against Jesus and against any other differing religious outlooks.

Wait for the violence to begin to spread. First in the inner cities, then slowly outward. Neighborhood by neighborhood. Knives, guns, acid attacks, rapes, thefts. Those that do not accept "our" laws, customs and norms of behavior, feel no compunction to conform. To them it is "their" way against "our" way and only one way can prevail. We sit back and scratch of heads wondering why our generosity and compassion is not enough. To those who wish to prevail, we, with our sentimentality are seen as being weak. Ripe to be exploited as that is how they have lived for generations in their own countries.

This is going to get much worse in very short order. Europeans will get out of bed one day and find they are a minority in their own country. Their country will no longer reflect their views as immigration will have supplanted the old national identity and pride with a new one based on legal precepts and religious ideology that is foreign to us.

We are sitting back and allowing our politically correct politicians to give away our birth right under the guise of humanitarianism. We are too timid to stop them. Can they be stopped?

We are making our own beds and we will certainly have to sleep in them.

When Europe is supplanted, the move will be westward to other countries with advantageous social programs and liberal and permissive attitudes. More lambs for the slaughter and more toe holds on foreign soil to advance an age old expansionist ideology that makes Russia seem tame by comparison.

As an aside, of course the "immigrants" don't want to go to Russia, no social programs, no free healthcare, no lavish monthly stipend to pay for all the new must haves needed in a country with a high standard of living. The refugees thus far have not gone to the first safe haven they can reach, they have all gone further than necessary to reach the very richest of countries, with the most generous handouts. If they have to struggle and tolerate hard times, they may as well stay where they are - no the easy life is what they think they are being offered, the good life what they believe they have been promised and that is all they are interested in accepting.

Wish to stop the refugees in their tracks, eliminate their unfettered access to social programs and they will immediately go elsewhere.

Me, I'm all for offering a hand up but not necessarily an unlimited handout. If my hand gets bitten in the process, I will stop. When my country's passports find their way to terrorist organizations around the world, I get mad. When I see my generosity and acceptance being taken for granted, I see it for what it is - being taken advantage of and an insult.

Thankfully, I'm old enough that I shouldn't have to see this mess unfold to its logical conclusion in the decades to come. Me, I'm going back to my submarine and patrol the Mediterranean looking for skiffs leaving Africa headed for the new promised land where all the streets are paved with gold and it's perfectly acceptable to rip up the streets when you get there.

Unrestricted liberal political correctness is going to be the end of us all and most of us are too caught up in our own fantasy world to see it coming.

Eichhörnchen · 01-07-19, 03:10 AM

"Resistance is futile"

01-06-19, 03:51 PM	#2
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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Some people cannot stand the idea of foreign people coming into their country, even if they are fugitives. There are certainly some economic fugitives, and some criminals, and those deliver the ammunition for the far right-wingers to discredit all. Maybe Europe is too liberal when it comes to immigration, and there are problems, and the rise of the right wing parties in Germany especially in economical weak counties like Saxonia and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern will be a problem. I still think it is better to help fugitives, but i seem to be pretty alone here. What i absolutely miss is a european-wide clear position regarding immigration to all countries. We cannot let Greece and Turkey take the burden, while on the other hand Romania just closes its borders, while Germany seemingly ignores problems and gets on with business as usual. edit: the EU indeed creates immigration numbers for its members to accept, usually based on financial strength and the number of the nation's inhabitants, to allow for a certain percentage of immigrants. Certain members like Romania simply refuse though. Of course e.g. Poland is not the classical immigration country, so it is easier for them. Romania is just putting on a show, while England (ab)uses real or made-up immigration numbers for its brexit. Fact is also that according to international law, a lot of countries would have to accept more immigrants than even the EU planned, for its members. So if e.g. England leaves and accepts international law, there will be even more immigrants. Or it disregards this law. I would like to see the real actors in the Middle East to take responsibility, and accept immigrants. But the US are far away, and Russia does not seem to be the #1 choice for immigrants. Not that they would let them in anyway. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 01-06-19 at 04:46 PM.*

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01-06-19, 05:48 PM	#4
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,919 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Let me get this straight After having read the original article I got the feeling or understanding that: If you belong to the rightwing and, or are critical to EU more less you are either nazi or fascist. I belong to the rightwing(not extreme though) and are critical to the way EU have turned into. I for once are NOT nazi or fascist. I see myself as an rightwing leftis. Markus

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CDR DPH Helmsman Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 101 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Going forward more and more people will be on the move to countries that offer the chance of a better life, economically and politically. Spurred on by the successes of those that have gone before them they will all soon come to believe it is their turn and they deserve exactly the same. Unfortunately, religious beliefs are seldom compromised and as history has shown are not very compatible or interchangeable. Climate change, war, famine, water shortages all loom on the horizon. Countries that accept everyone who wants to come now, will at some point have to face the reality that they can accept no more. Yet more and more want to come and will arrive at the door with arms outstretched and will not accept that the inn is full. Those who have already arrived, are not really interested in integrating into a new society. They are not inherently accepting of the the value system in their new country but choose to overlook this in the short term as they establish themselves in their own nationalist communities to promote and support their own values, their own prejudices and their own morality in addition to all the other belief baggage they bring with them. More legitimate and faux refugees will come. All will circumvent the established processes for legal immigration. If you detect a problem now, just wait a few years. Wait for the newcomers to establish and organize themselves and begin to gain political influence first at the local level then the national level. Wait for the sectarian conflicts to flare up, pitting Mohammad against Jesus and against any other differing religious outlooks. Wait for the violence to begin to spread. First in the inner cities, then slowly outward. Neighborhood by neighborhood. Knives, guns, acid attacks, rapes, thefts. Those that do not accept "our" laws, customs and norms of behavior, feel no compunction to conform. To them it is "their" way against "our" way and only one way can prevail. We sit back and scratch of heads wondering why our generosity and compassion is not enough. To those who wish to prevail, we, with our sentimentality are seen as being weak. Ripe to be exploited as that is how they have lived for generations in their own countries. This is going to get much worse in very short order. Europeans will get out of bed one day and find they are a minority in their own country. Their country will no longer reflect their views as immigration will have supplanted the old national identity and pride with a new one based on legal precepts and religious ideology that is foreign to us. We are sitting back and allowing our politically correct politicians to give away our birth right under the guise of humanitarianism. We are too timid to stop them. Can they be stopped? We are making our own beds and we will certainly have to sleep in them. When Europe is supplanted, the move will be westward to other countries with advantageous social programs and liberal and permissive attitudes. More lambs for the slaughter and more toe holds on foreign soil to advance an age old expansionist ideology that makes Russia seem tame by comparison. As an aside, of course the "immigrants" don't want to go to Russia, no social programs, no free healthcare, no lavish monthly stipend to pay for all the new must haves needed in a country with a high standard of living. The refugees thus far have not gone to the first safe haven they can reach, they have all gone further than necessary to reach the very richest of countries, with the most generous handouts. If they have to struggle and tolerate hard times, they may as well stay where they are - no the easy life is what they think they are being offered, the good life what they believe they have been promised and that is all they are interested in accepting. Wish to stop the refugees in their tracks, eliminate their unfettered access to social programs and they will immediately go elsewhere. Me, I'm all for offering a hand up but not necessarily an unlimited handout. If my hand gets bitten in the process, I will stop. When my country's passports find their way to terrorist organizations around the world, I get mad. When I see my generosity and acceptance being taken for granted, I see it for what it is - being taken advantage of and an insult. Thankfully, I'm old enough that I shouldn't have to see this mess unfold to its logical conclusion in the decades to come. Me, I'm going back to my submarine and patrol the Mediterranean looking for skiffs leaving Africa headed for the new promised land where all the streets are paved with gold and it's perfectly acceptable to rip up the streets when you get there. Unrestricted liberal political correctness is going to be the end of us all and most of us are too caught up in our own fantasy world to see it coming.