Academic Grievance Studies

Skybird · 10-09-18, 02:26 PM

https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/...f-scholarship/

Cool. And revealing. Illustrates also why I am a methodology Nazi when it comes to science studies and papers, and why I call the academic everyday business deeply corrupted.

This speaks not against the scientific methdology. It only shows that it can be abused if somebody wants to abuse it. Reasons for it there are aplenty. Abuse and corruption are abuse and corurption, they do not illustrate that scientific methodology is bad. Its the best tool that the Western civilization has, and what has made it greater and more influential than any other there ever has been.

Disagree? Think of it next time you are at the dentist and he offers you an injection.

Swiss source where I found this:
https://bazonline.ch/wissen/bildung/...story/25949132

ikalugin · 10-10-18, 08:14 AM

I think it is more about people working based on ideological/political basis rather than the scientific ones. This happened in Russia during Soviet era, it happened in China, it is now happening in the west.

Catfish · 10-10-18, 09:08 AM

^ you do not really want to compare Stalin and Mao times with the current 'West'?

Because other than what the german AfD and lovers of totalitarian systems say and want us to believe, there is a very big difference.

ikalugin · 10-11-18, 04:20 PM

Sure there are differences in form and scale (for now) but the core problem is the same - authoritarian leftists.

Skybird · 10-11-18, 06:22 PM

The core problem is two-fold: incompetence, and too many people. Both result in methodological dilletantism.

If you go into academics and maybe hold a title at universit, you are under immense pressure to publish papers and studies to justify the moeny they pay oyu. Or you work for businbess and must find evidence for what business has a in interest in to sell. Sponsors anmd domnors that priovde yearly budgets must be impressed. Media attention. Prestige. Narcissism.

At the same time many simply lack the needed fundamental statistical and methodoligicla training to write a study correctly, to conduct it correctly. This reuslts not only in many papwers beign garbage, but an audience that lacks the competence to rexcongise that it is garbage, becasue they lack the needed profound knowledge of statiscs and methodology as well.

Also, so many acadmeical people around now, it is hard toi find somethign new that has not already been said before. And so quie some do the strangest kind of studies and construct the weirdest claims just to separate themselevs form the mass and trying to get attention and payment that way.

This way, science gets eroded, get hijacked, gets corrupted get hollowed out.

Ideological motivation to see unwanted facts denied and wanted ideological goals being supported, also play a role.

And of course, interest conflicts. One only needs to know that far over 90% (both in Europe and in the US) of studies that are done to prove that a new drug is ripe for the market and fulfills legal standards and regulations, are being paid for by the producers themselves. No company has an interest in showing that the new medicine it wants to sell is useless, or even dangerous.

Corruption, dilletantism, craving for fame, incompetence of the audience. An examples are the studies done for acrylamide and how toxic it is to our health, there you have it all: dilletantism, attention craving, ideology. Or "gender studies" - whcihs impyl are bogus and pseudo science. I have read a few such studies. They made my hairs raising in my neck due to the methodological incompetence on display. The failures were so immense that even a layman in statistics or methods could recognise their problems.

Probably most newspaper articles saying that "a new study has shown this" and that "scientists have shown that", are not worth the time it takes to read them.

Thats why I like these grievance studies. They make mockery of all this, and every time a scienc emagazine accepts one of them for publication it reveals what kind of clueless idiots are sitting in the editorial team. These caspars deserve to be laughed out of their jobs.

10-09-18, 02:26 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,543 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Academic Grievance Studies https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/...f-scholarship/ Cool. And revealing. Illustrates also why I am a methodology Nazi when it comes to science studies and papers, and why I call the academic everyday business deeply corrupted. This speaks not against the scientific methdology. It only shows that it can be abused if somebody wants to abuse it. Reasons for it there are aplenty. Abuse and corruption are abuse and corurption, they do not illustrate that scientific methodology is bad. Its the best tool that the Western civilization has, and what has made it greater and more influential than any other there ever has been. Disagree? Think of it next time you are at the dentist and he offers you an injection. Swiss source where I found this: https://bazonline.ch/wissen/bildung/...story/25949132 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-10-18, 08:14 AM	#2
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I think it is more about people working based on ideological/political basis rather than the scientific ones. This happened in Russia during Soviet era, it happened in China, it is now happening in the west. __________________ Grumpy as always.

10-10-18, 09:08 AM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ you do not really want to compare Stalin and Mao times with the current 'West'? Because other than what the german AfD and lovers of totalitarian systems say and want us to believe, there is a very big difference. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

10-11-18, 04:20 PM	#4
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Sure there are differences in form and scale (for now) but the core problem is the same - authoritarian leftists. __________________ Grumpy as always.

10-11-18, 06:22 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,543 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The core problem is two-fold: incompetence, and too many people. Both result in methodological dilletantism. If you go into academics and maybe hold a title at universit, you are under immense pressure to publish papers and studies to justify the moeny they pay oyu. Or you work for businbess and must find evidence for what business has a in interest in to sell. Sponsors anmd domnors that priovde yearly budgets must be impressed. Media attention. Prestige. Narcissism. At the same time many simply lack the needed fundamental statistical and methodoligicla training to write a study correctly, to conduct it correctly. This reuslts not only in many papwers beign garbage, but an audience that lacks the competence to rexcongise that it is garbage, becasue they lack the needed profound knowledge of statiscs and methodology as well. Also, so many acadmeical people around now, it is hard toi find somethign new that has not already been said before. And so quie some do the strangest kind of studies and construct the weirdest claims just to separate themselevs form the mass and trying to get attention and payment that way. This way, science gets eroded, get hijacked, gets corrupted get hollowed out. Ideological motivation to see unwanted facts denied and wanted ideological goals being supported, also play a role. And of course, interest conflicts. One only needs to know that far over 90% (both in Europe and in the US) of studies that are done to prove that a new drug is ripe for the market and fulfills legal standards and regulations, are being paid for by the producers themselves. No company has an interest in showing that the new medicine it wants to sell is useless, or even dangerous. Corruption, dilletantism, craving for fame, incompetence of the audience. An examples are the studies done for acrylamide and how toxic it is to our health, there you have it all: dilletantism, attention craving, ideology. Or "gender studies" - whcihs impyl are bogus and pseudo science. I have read a few such studies. They made my hairs raising in my neck due to the methodological incompetence on display. The failures were so immense that even a layman in statistics or methods could recognise their problems. Probably most newspaper articles saying that "a new study has shown this" and that "scientists have shown that", are not worth the time it takes to read them. Thats why I like these grievance studies. They make mockery of all this, and every time a scienc emagazine accepts one of them for publication it reveals what kind of clueless idiots are sitting in the editorial team. These caspars deserve to be laughed out of their jobs. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 10-11-18 at 06:31 PM.