US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 228

Rockstar · 07-23-17, 09:46 AM

vienna · 07-24-17, 02:23 PM

A couple of interesting views:

Trump Barrels Down a Road of No Return --

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ine&yptr=yahoo

Russian Documents From Trump Jr Meeting May Have Had a Big Impact --

https://medium.com/@TrickFreee/donal...r-f6a725a75d8a

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Rockstar · 07-24-17, 02:35 PM

mapuc · 07-24-17, 02:53 PM

^ Isn't it or wasn't it Macarthur ? Can't remember his first name-He was the leader of a group in Washington who was hunting down every person who was mistaken for being or supporting communism or something like that.

Markus

Rockstar · 07-24-17, 03:16 PM

Yep, that's Senator Joseph McCarthy he's the father of drawing a conclusions without evidence.

Rockstar · 07-24-17, 03:24 PM

August · 07-24-17, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Yep, that's Senator Joseph McCarthy he's the father of drawing a conclusions without evidence.

Although apparently he was right about Alger Hiss...

Rockstar · 07-24-17, 04:38 PM

circa 1954

Platapus · 07-24-17, 04:43 PM

The 2016 election was not won or lost by only one issue. Many issues added and subtracted from both sides and in this instance, the electoral result tilted in favour of Trump.

That being said, the Democrats really need to recognize that their selection of Hillary was a big factor. In my opinion, it will go down as a worst decision since the RNC's decision to put Palin on the McCain ticket.

If the DNC had put up anyone other than Hillary, I don't believe Trump would have won.

If the RNC had put anyone other than Trump up, I am very sure that Hillary still not have been elected.

Hillary's legacy is being probably the only person who could have lost to Trump.

But just as the RNC is still not admitting that putting Palin on the 08 ticket was a mistake, it is not surprising that the DNC is not admitting that Hillary was a mistake.

So all this talk about rebranding the DNC is great and something that needs to be done. What does the Democratic Party stand for other than being "Anti Republican Party"? And in order to save face, I don't expect the DNC to come out and admit that they messed up by putting Hillary up. But I hope that inside the closed meetings, that the risk of putting Hillary up is being discussed. History has shown that it is possible to lose an election even if the other side does not necessarily win.

And the same applies to the RNC. Even as a Recovering Republican, I can't tell what the Republicans stand for other than being "Anti Democratic Party" and specifically anti-Obama. The RNC better work on their branding. They also need to recognize that they did not win the last election, the Democrats lost it.

Counting on more people disliking Hillary than disliked Trump is a lousy way to run a campaign. They were lucky this time.

Maybe some good can come out of this mess if it forces both parties to fix their brand and actually come up with something that the citizens can actually vote FOR instead of voting against the other bums.

Rockstar · 07-24-17, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Although apparently he was right about Alger Hiss...

Alger Hiss atleast had the opportunity to defend himself in a court of law. He was brought to trial and convicted of being a spy because there was actual evidence of a crime.

mapuc · 07-24-17, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Yep, that's Senator Joseph McCarthy he's the father of drawing a conclusions without evidence.

Thank you and sorry for misspelling his name.

Markus

Platapus · 07-24-17, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Although apparently he was right about Alger Hiss...

A broken clock is correct twice a day too.

Rockstar · 07-24-17, 06:38 PM

Obviously some have forgot but also I suspect a vast majority of Americans aren't even aware of this time in our history.

McCarthy rose to prominence in 1950, when he declared that he had a list of names of Communists in the State Department. He spent the following years fervently trying to root out Communists in the government through Senate hearings. His tactic of making unproven accusations against political opponents, by questioning their allegiance to the United States and saying their Communist ideology or sympathy, became known as “McCarthyism.”

emphasis mine

Onkel Neal · 07-25-17, 07:43 AM

What a spectacle, Trump tearing down Jeff Sessions. I wouldn't trade 1 Sessions for 100 Trumps. I would say trump is losing it but I'm pretty sure he never had it in the first place.

Rockstar · 07-25-17, 08:56 AM

"And my concern, Martha, is what the hell are we investigating?".

All I see is a team of Obama Hillary donors investigating every aspect of a sitting president that they detest. It started with collusion in the election and there wasnt any. There hasnt been one ounce of evidence the Russians had anything to do with our election process. But hey with no limits to the investigation. All they’ve gotta do is continue every day advancing the narrative that Trump is in bed with Russians to cast doubt in the mind of the voters and increase their chances for a successful mid-term election outcome.

Doesn't seem to me Russians are the problem. Reminds me of Ken Starr, he went dig dig dig and in the end after spending 70,000,000 dollars of taxpayer money all he could come up with was a made for TV drama, an intern, a cigar and a stained dress. If President Clinton hadnt lied under oath about the 'sexual relations' there wouldnt have been anything to report.

Pathetic.

Like Trump I ask who's next Jareds eleven year old son?

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Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Yep, that's Senator Joseph McCarthy he's the father of drawing a conclusions without evidence. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,877 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ Isn't it or wasn't it Macarthur ? Can't remember his first name-He was the leader of a group in Washington who was hunting down every person who was mistaken for being or supporting communism or something like that. Markus

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Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	circa 1954 __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 07-24-17 at 06:08 PM.

07-24-17, 04:43 PM	#3414
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,948 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The 2016 election was not won or lost by only one issue. Many issues added and subtracted from both sides and in this instance, the electoral result tilted in favour of Trump. That being said, the Democrats really need to recognize that their selection of Hillary was a big factor. In my opinion, it will go down as a worst decision since the RNC's decision to put Palin on the McCain ticket. If the DNC had put up anyone other than Hillary, I don't believe Trump would have won. If the RNC had put anyone other than Trump up, I am very sure that Hillary still not have been elected. Hillary's legacy is being probably the only person who could have lost to Trump. But just as the RNC is still not admitting that putting Palin on the 08 ticket was a mistake, it is not surprising that the DNC is not admitting that Hillary was a mistake. So all this talk about rebranding the DNC is great and something that needs to be done. What does the Democratic Party stand for other than being "Anti Republican Party"? And in order to save face, I don't expect the DNC to come out and admit that they messed up by putting Hillary up. But I hope that inside the closed meetings, that the risk of putting Hillary up is being discussed. History has shown that it is possible to lose an election even if the other side does not necessarily win. And the same applies to the RNC. Even as a Recovering Republican, I can't tell what the Republicans stand for other than being "Anti Democratic Party" and specifically anti-Obama. The RNC better work on their branding. They also need to recognize that they did not win the last election, the Democrats lost it. Counting on more people disliking Hillary than disliked Trump is a lousy way to run a campaign. They were lucky this time. Maybe some good can come out of this mess if it forces both parties to fix their brand and actually come up with something that the citizens can actually vote FOR instead of voting against the other bums. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-24-17, 06:38 PM	#3418
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Obviously some have forgot but also I suspect a vast majority of Americans aren't even aware of this time in our history. McCarthy rose to prominence in 1950, when he declared that he had a list of names of Communists in the State Department. He spent the following years fervently trying to root out Communists in the government through Senate hearings. His tactic of making unproven accusations against political opponents, by questioning their allegiance to the United States and saying their Communist ideology or sympathy, became known as “McCarthyism.” emphasis mine __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

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Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,284 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	What a spectacle, Trump tearing down Jeff Sessions. I wouldn't trade 1 Sessions for 100 Trumps. I would say trump is losing it but I'm pretty sure he never had it in the first place. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-25-17, 08:56 AM	#3420
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"And my concern, Martha, is what the hell are we investigating?". All I see is a team of Obama Hillary donors investigating every aspect of a sitting president that they detest. It started with collusion in the election and there wasnt any. There hasnt been one ounce of evidence the Russians had anything to do with our election process. But hey with no limits to the investigation. All they’ve gotta do is continue every day advancing the narrative that Trump is in bed with Russians to cast doubt in the mind of the voters and increase their chances for a successful mid-term election outcome. Doesn't seem to me Russians are the problem. Reminds me of Ken Starr, he went dig dig dig and in the end after spending 70,000,000 dollars of taxpayer money all he could come up with was a made for TV drama, an intern, a cigar and a stained dress. If President Clinton hadnt lied under oath about the 'sexual relations' there wouldnt have been anything to report. Pathetic. Like Trump I ask who's next Jareds eleven year old son? __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 07-25-17 at 12:48 PM.