Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Held up!?
Wasn't it not before Wednesday 24th of April the Senate should vote on this H.R 8035 ?

Markus

Schumer left. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...ouse-bill/8035

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Schumer left. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...ouse-bill/8035

You have to explain it to the none US people. "Schumer left." is like “Steiner’s counterattack” to us.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dargo

You have to explain it to the none US people. "Schumer left." is like “Steiner’s counterattack” to us.

National Defense Supplemental H.R. 815 which euros called the 60 billion dollar Ukraine aid package was NOT voted on. H.R. 815 was basically thrown out and reintroduced as three separate bills one of which is H.R.8035 Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024. That’s the one which was just voted on and passed the lower house. It’s now up to the Democrat controlled Senate who incidentally left before they voted on the bill. Once it clears both houses, it goes to the President who will sign it into law.

Then you can celebrate.

[mapuc]

Now I'm confused I have until now thought that Bill H.R 8035 was approved in the House of Representatives last Saturday

Furthermore I understod that H.R 8035 was in total 98 bn Dollars whereof Ca 61 of them was to Ukraine and 8 bn was to Taiwan. The rest was to Israel and Gaza.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Now I'm confused I have until now thought that Bill H.R 8035 was approved in the House of Representatives last Saturday

Furthermore I understod that H.R 8035 was in total 98 bn Dollars whereof Ca 61 of them was to Ukraine and 8 bn was to Taiwan. The rest was to Israel and Gaza.

Markus

It was introduced and passed in the lower house a.k.a. ‘The House of Representatives’ on 20 April. Now it’s up for a vote in the upper house a.k.a. The Senate. Once it clears both houses of Congress it goes to the President.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...ouse-bill/8035

Anyway you can use the above link to track its progress.

Just an fyi, the other two bills H.R 8034 and H.R. 8036 concern Israel and the Indo-Pacific

[Dargo]

Republican Tom Kean, a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the US House of Representatives, stressed that the current version of the bill on additional funding for foreign aid, including Ukraine, contains a number of improvements compared to the Senate version. Among other things, the politician mentioned the REPO provision, which will allow the confiscation of frozen Russian assets in the United States, as well as the requirement for the owner of TikTok to sell the business to a non-Chinese company. Republican Tom Kean says "All these things, all these efforts took time to join forces and find that bipartisan solution that I hope will pass through the US Senate by the end of the week, and then after the signature (of the US president – ed.) will come into force as law," https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/22/7452451/

[Skybird]

At their meeting in Luxembourg, the EU foreign ministers rejected the delivery of additional air defense systems for Ukraine.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

At their meeting in Luxembourg, the EU foreign ministers rejected the delivery of additional air defense systems for Ukraine.

It's enough for one or two foreign ministers in EU to go against a directive for it to fail/fall to the floor.

EU demand 100 % approval among its minister for a directive can pass.

They have been talking about changing it to 3/4 of a majority.

Markus

[Rockstar]

[Skybird]

It is currently unlikely that the USA will put together a larger aid package again, regardless of the outcome of the election. And since the current package is only sufficient for supporting the stabilization of the Ukrainian front until the end of this year or so, but a reconquest of the territories conquered by the Russians seems out of the question, a victory of the Ukrainians against Russia can now be confidently described as "ruled out". The European states' debts are so high and their state finances are in such a shabby state (namely France, Italy, and others) and they all have too few military resources of their own as if they were able to arm up Ukraine.

It is therefore all the more inconceivable that, in the name of a completely crazy EU policy on the environment, ecologic economy, migration and socialism, they are persisting in putting this foolish policy on the back burner - instead of reallocating the gigantic funds that are being made available for this megalomaniac hubris into the necessary development of a war economy, with an eye far beyond Ukraine, because the confrontation with Russia, I expect, will continue for the rest of my life - and may very well and anything but unrealistically lead to a major war with NATO. And for this outlook, we in Europe are in a really stupid position. Completely our own guilt.

If this big war with NATO comes, I am anything but sure Europe would win it. I activeloy doubt it. Thanks to our formidable leaders. We should be economically hopelessly superior to Russia. And now see what a pitiful putocme we make of that!

We are totally insane.

[Catfish]

Let Ukraine be defeated by an old fashioned dictator and we all will be in the big one war.
Putin will invade the Baltic states next when he is ready with Ukraine and has his hands free. Russian war production is thriving and will not stop.

Indeed helping Ukraine and defeat Putin NOW would shorten the russian aggression, cost us less money, and cost a lot less (especially of our /cyn) lives.

Short sighted western idiots everywhere.

[Jimbuna]

^ True that

A good start would be kicking a certain EU member off the team.

Hungary to block €2 billion in EU aid to Ukraine

Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto has declared that Budapest will block the European Union's assistance to Ukraine amounting to 2 billion euros, citing Index.

He cited the reason as the ongoing "discrimination against Hungarian companies" in Ukraine. According to him, until the situation changes, the provision of assistance will not be approved.

He noted that Brussels wants Budapest to agree to allocate an additional 1.5 billion euros by EU members to Ukraine, in addition to the 500 million euros blocked by Hungary.

"Hungary's position remains unchanged: until we receive guarantees from the Ukrainian side that they will cease targeting Hungarian companies, we cannot support such decisions," Szijjarto emphasized.

Hungary's stance on war in Ukraine

Hungary is not new to supporting Russia on issues related to the war against Ukraine. In particular, Budapest continues to oppose anti-Russian sanctions, justifying this by the lack of desired effects on the aggressor.

Hungarian officials have also repeatedly called for an end to military aid to Ukraine.

In particular, earlier, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban synchronously called on Western countries to cease providing military assistance to Ukraine if "they want the conflict to end." The Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs called such a statement the height of cynicism.

Last autumn, Hungary stated that the temporary exclusion of Hungary's OTP Bank from the list of "international sponsors of war" by Ukraine does not significantly change the situation.

In early April, high-level Ukrainian and Hungarian delegations held an online meeting to discuss ways to resolve key bilateral agenda items. Of the 11 points proposed by the Hungarian side, five have already been practically agreed upon.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...50255c83&ei=16

[Jimbuna]

What $61bn US aid boost could mean for Ukraine

A $61bn package of military aid for Ukraine could be signed off within days. So what weapons might it receive and what difference could they make in trying to stem Russian advances?

Air defence systems, mid to long-range missiles and artillery shells remain the most pressing weaponry needed by Ukraine.

Here is where the US aid could go in these three areas. About a third of the package goes on replenishing depleted US stocks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68872783

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

What $61bn US aid boost could mean for Ukraine

Utter BBC nonsense, “what it could mean”, really?.

I posted a link to the text of the bill several times already. Unless the Senate sends it back to the lower house with revisions. Here’s what it DOES mean.

Specifically, the bill H.R. 8035 provides appropriations to the

U.S. Department of Defense (DOD),
U.S. Department of Energy science programs,
U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration,
U.S. Administration for Children and Families,
U.S. Department of State, and
the U.S. Agency for International Development.

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The funding is provided for purposes such as

supporting current U.S. military operations in the region,
the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative,
replacing defense articles that were provided to Ukraine,
reimbursing DOD for defense services and training provided to Ukraine,
the Foreign Military Financing Program,
economic support for Ukraine,
refugee and entrant assistance,
international narcotics control and law enforcement, and
the development and production of isotopes.
The bill also includes provisions that

expand the authorities of the President to transfer defense articles and services from DOD to foreign countries or international organizations,
require the President to transfer long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems to Ukraine,
require the President to enter into an agreement with Ukraine regarding repaying the United States for the economic assistance it has provided to Ukraine,
require certain funds that are provided for Ukraine to be matched by other donors, and
establish various oversight and reporting requirements for assistance provided to Ukraine.