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02-09-19, 04:48 AM | #557 |
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02-15-19, 02:47 AM | #558 |
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9 February 1944
After a long debate, Finland decides to send J.K. Paasikivi to Stockholm to learn more about Soviet Union's peace proposal. Due to heightened enemy air activity, schools are closed in Viipuri. Finnish daily losses: 15 *** 10 February 1944 About 150 enemy planes hit Kotka. Seven people are killed. Finnish daily losses: 16 *** 11 February 1944 Aunus Group: "At 07.00 our strike team attacked a enemy base SE of Lake Sotjärvi. Three bunkers, one living dug-out and 25 enemies we destroyed, two of which were officers. Two prisoners were taken who told they were from 4./IR 1226. During the operation, enemy launched a counter-attack which was repulsed. Our losses 13 wounded." Finnish daily losses: 15 *** 12 February 1944 J.K. Paasikivi arrives at Stockholm. 14.D/Rukajärvi: "Our platoon size patrol was ambushed at 09.30 near Nuokkijärvi by a strong enemy unit (~200 men). One officer, two NCOs and ten men are missing." Finnish daily losses: 21 *** 13 February 1944 Maaselkä Group: "Our patrol was ambushed around 12.30 near Lake Jolmajärvi. Captain Mikkonen and three other men were left mortally wounded on the field. Sixth Division's Jäeger Company is missin one NCO and two men." 14.D/Rukajärvi: "One officer and one NCO have returned from yesterday's patrol. Another patrol found one NCO and 5 men, all wounded, around the area. Five men still missing." Finnish daily losses: 19 *** 14 February 1944 No entry. Finnish daily losses: 9 *** 15 February 1944 Karelian Isthmus: "Two attacks against our bases near Ohta road and in the Loikkarinnotko area repulsed." Finnish daily losses: 20 |
02-21-19, 10:39 PM | #559 |
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16 February 1944
J.K. Paasikivi meets Soviet Ambassador Aleksandra Kollontai in Stockholm. The prerequisites for opening peace talks are as follows: 1940 Moscow Treaty stays in effect, Finland has to sever ties with Germany and all Germans in Finland have to be interned. Question of war reparations and Petsamo are negotiable. Hitler orders Åland Islands and Suursaari to be manned in case Finland makes separate peace. (Tanne West, Tanne Ost) Second large scale aerial bombing rocks Helsinki. Twenty-five are killed in the bombings by approximately 420 Soviet planes. Karelian Isthmus: "In yesterday's attacks at Ohta road and Loikkarinnotko area, the enemy lost at least 45 dead." Finnish daily losses: 14 Sauna warming up in Kollaa. *** 17 February 1944 Maaselkä Group: "At 10.57 enemy artillery opened fire on our positions west of Maaselkä station. During the bombardment, a company size unit advanced towards the trenches, but were quickly thrown back with smallarms fire. Enemy casualties at least 30 dead." Finnish daily losses: 20 Building on fire in Helsinki following last night's bombings. (Erottajankatu 2) *** 18 February 1944 No entry. Finnish daily losses: 15 *** 19 February 1944 Maaselkä Group is renamed to II Army Corps from 24.2. onwards. Schools are closed in cities on the Southern coast of Finland. Germany makes clear that Finland's separate peace would be seen as a 'betrayal'. Finnish daily losses: 18 Motor sled. (Petroskoi) *** 20 February 1944 No entry. Finnish daily losses: 18 *** 21 February 1944 Over 40 planes bomb Oulu. Four are killed and 20 wounded. Finnish daily losses: 12 *** 22 February 1944 Over 100 planes try to bomb Turku, but due to anti-aircraft fire and bad weather only 15 bombs fall on the city. Finnish daily losses: 27 |
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25 fatalities in a 420 plane air raid? Either the soviets didn't know how to release their bombs on target or you must have had a very good air raid protection system for your civilians.
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Thanks.
I believe the Luftwaffe also used that tactic with either captured enemy aircraft or just their own bombers. I believe to recall at least one event where a German He 177 heavy bomber followed allied bombers to their base and then either struck itself or called in their position. But I'm not 100% sure of that anymore.
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So far I only found something about captured bombers. It's in German though. Here is the link:
http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/beute/usa/ About half way through that article you get to: "Nachdem ausreichend Daten über die einzelnen Flugzeugmuster ermittelt worden waren, sollen Beutebomber von Zeit zu Zeit in gegnerische Formationen eingeschleust worden sein, um auf diese Weise mehr Informationen über Aufbau, Bewegungsabläufe und Schwachstellen der verschiedenen alliierten Flugformationen zu erlangen. Solche Annäherungen wurden von der USAAF seit April 1943 registriert. Im Laufe der nächsten fünf Monate sollen insgesamt 25 Fälle von amerikanischer Seite an der West- und Südfront festgestellt worden sein. Die verdächtigen Maschinen hätten stets den gleichen Schutzanstrich und die farbigen Markierungen getragen wie die regulären USAAF Bomber. Normalerweise wären diese Flugzeuge allein geflogen, auch wenn vereinzelt Zweier - und Dreier - Gruppen beobachtet worden wären. Die Meldung über eine Formation sogar aus insgesamt neun dieser Bomber, die am 26. Juli 1943 gemeldet worden war, wurde später dahingehend korrigiert, dass es sich nur um eine Maschine in einer Neuner - Formation gehandelt habe. Neben der Beobachtung des einzelnen Bomberverbandes und seiner Bewegung wurden diese Beutebomber teilweise auch zur Heranführung der Abfangjäger genutzt. Die Jäger der Luftwaffe, die einen solchen begleiteten Bomberverband angriffen, mussten über das Vorhandensein und die Position eines eigenen Flugzeuge informiert gewesen sein und griffen diese Maschinen nicht an. Ein Umstand der es den anderen USAAF Besatzungen ermöglichte, die als Shadows (Schatten) bezeichneten Maschinen zu identifizieren. Waren die deutschen Maschinen den alliierten Bomberverbänden zunächst nur in einiger Entfernung gefolgt, so kamen sie den Verbänden im Laufe der Zeit immer näher. Teilweise sollen sie sich sogar in den beobachteten Verband eingegliedert haben. Normalerweise blieben sie nur bis zur Kanalküste bei oder in dem beobachteten Verband. Einige sollen aber bis zu den Landeplätzen in England mitgeflogen und dann erst umgekehrt sein." Google translate version with some sporadic corrections of mine (I'm lazy): After sufficient data had been obtained on the individual aircraft, captured bombers from time to time were used to infiltrate opposing formations in order to gain more information about the structure, movements and vulnerabilities of the various Allied flight formations. Such approaches were registered by the USAAF since April 1943. Over the next five months, a total of 25 cases have been reported by the US on the western and southern fronts. The suspicious planes had always worn the same protective paint and color markings as the regular USAAF bombers. Normally, these planes would have flown alone, although sporadic groups of two and three were observed. The news of a formation even out of a total of nine of these bombers, which had been reported on 26 July 1943, was later corrected to the effect that it was only a machine in a nine - formation. In addition to the observation of the individual bomber units and its movement, these captured bombers were also sometimes used to guide in interceptors. The Luftwaffe fighters who attacked such an escorted bomber band had to be informed of the presence and location of their own aircraft and did not attack those aircraft. A circumstance that allowed the other USAAF crews to identify those aircraft that they called Shadows. While the German planes had only followed the Allied bomber formations at some distance, they gradually moved closer to the units over time. Partly, they are said to have even integrated into the observed formations. Normally they only stayed with them until reaching the channel coast. Some are said however to have stayed until the landing airfields in England were reached and only then returned.
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Bitte schön. Something that article did not mention is that for the last two raids the early warning was increased to hours in advance by Finnish SIGINT. The night fighters where from I/JG 302, Bf-109 G6s. Last edited by Georg Lassen; 02-23-19 at 06:37 AM. |
02-23-19, 08:42 AM | #569 |
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Thanks for the added info, the map especially is very interesting.
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02-27-19, 06:39 AM | #570 |
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Last Finnish fighter ace Jaakko Hillo has passed away 22.2 at the age of 97 and joined the eternal flight.
Hillo scored 8 victories in the Continuation War flying mainly Curtiss Hawk 75 fighters. After the war he flew for Aero/Finnair from where he retired. Article in Finnish. https://siivet.fi/ajankohtaista/viim...le-lennolleen/ |
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