US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Wow! vienna pays attention to CBN and Pat Robertson (90 years old by the way)?

Pat also prophesied that Trump would win the National election and that it would trigger huge riots and then there would be two (2) attempts on his life

Of course none of that has happened ... yet

Yes it is strange that he would now turn on President Trump

Thank you for bringing it up

I have decided to just treat him like any other rich billionaire after he leaves office (if he really is a billionaire that is)

I do thank Trump for a stronger military and better Israel ties

You'd be surprised at what I do read, watch, and listen to; as I've pointed out, just relying on the single word of a single viewpoint on important matters most often leads to being manipulated rather than informed. Get all the details and verifiable fact(s) available, of all viewpoints, and then making a considered, critical assessment is the most productive way of reaching decisions; simply gainsaying without substance or accepting and parroting back a single narrow view doesn't get to the truth...

Not everyone or everything is always nor are they always wrong...


It is indeed surprising to hear someone like Robertson speak out as he did, particularly in such a direct fashion and about some things he so readily embraced before; it must have been quite difficult to speak out as he did; I do give him props for having the courage to speak his mind, even if he might get a lot of blow-back form the Trump camp and and even some of Robertson's own followers...

I do agree with Robertson that the GOP would be better off if Trump didn't try to run in 2024; and, I also agree about Haley: I said Trump would have been better off having Haley as a running mate instead of Pence, and I actually thought Haley would have made a better candidate for the GOP in 2016 instead of Trump...

It will be interesting to see what fallout might come from this, indeed...


Trump is now doing what he does best: milking the rubes for their cash in a long con; he has ostensibly been out and about raising money for a challenge to overturn the legitimate election results and his Trumpettes have been pouring in the money by the bucketfuls; however, if you read the fine print in the solicitation(s), you will see that the money donated is actually being divvied up between a Trump PAC and the RNC, with almost all the first dollars going to those two entities; the fact that the RNC is getting such a very big cut of Trump's "election defense" fundraising may account for the GOP's great reluctance to put a final kibosh on the Trump tenure -- they are loathe to kill the cash cow...

The portion of the cash going to the Trump PAC has been taking on a very curious journey of its own; the Trump family/organization has set up a shell corporation and is funneling the funds into it; the money is being shielded from being scrutinized and from Trump being held accountable for its uses; at this point, it seems the bulk of the shell company's payouts have been to Trump, his family members, and associates for their own personal uses, not for, as his donors were told, the pursuit of keeping Trump in office...

All in all, it seems just another case of Trump scamming people for his own gain; and the shell company ploy smacks of a money laundering scheme such as used by white-collar criminals, organized crime, and drug cartels...


Just saying...




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[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I suppose getting a BJ from an intern in the office is not immoral?

I'd think you'd say the only wrong done was getting caught.

Good point Jeff

Welcome back

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I suppose getting a BJ from an intern in the office is not immoral?

I'd think you'd say the only wrong done was getting caught.

...and having affairs with pornstars (just after one's own wife has given birth) and sundry other women, and then engaging in an illegal, unethical coverup and payoff is actually moral?...

I'd think you'd say the only wrong done was getting caught.

Remember, the intern in the office was a non-criminal act; the payoff and coverup and the misuse of funds and the attempted obfuscation of the the transaction are actual, prosecutable crimes; further, Trump, even if he gets a Federal pardon for his actions will still be liable for prosecution since he committed or caused to be committed those crimes in a state (NY) where the state campaign funding laws do apply and for which Federal pardon hold no sway in the state courts. Getting caught for Trump, will be a "wrong' for him, but a "right" in therms of the criminal jjustice system...


Oh, and by the way, Clinton hasn't been POTUS for twenty years, so what he did really has little to no bearing on what is currently being done in the White Hose; unless some actual crime can be charged against Clinton for what he did and is actually prosecutable, I guess we'll just have to be content with dealing with the actual, prosecutable criminality in the current Oval Office...


Sorry its not quite working out your way...





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[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I suppose getting a BJ from an intern in the office is not immoral?

I'd think you'd say the only wrong done was getting caught.

Hmmm, I didn't know Clinton was in office or the president elect.

[vienna]

"My Kung Fu is better than your Kung Fu, Mitch McConnell!! I block you feeble fist!! Taste the bitterness of Electoral defeat!!!"...







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[Jeff-Groves]

Don't matter who is in Office or President-Elect.
Past or present.
You brought up Morals and crimes. Not me.
Seeing as you explain away past moral, um, miss deeds?
What you whining about now?
You honestly thing there is a fiber of morality left in anyone in Washington?
Or in any of the States Offices of power?
You are deluded! Everyone of them would give you a BJ if it reaped them a benefit!

At one time. The Office of the President of the United States responsibility AND actions was consider sacrosanct!
That went away along time ago but now any departure from that is used by Parties to just cause problems.

[Buddahaid]

Sure, let's start talking about Taft then.

[Jeff-Groves]

Ok. Let's do it. You want to go back to when SHTF that's fine.
Your so sure Trump is a Criminal and seem to ignore the others?
Taft is an easy target so I could have read tea leaves and see you pick him.

Why not Nixon or the Kennedy's?
Those are more recent.

[Buddahaid]

I believe my position is he is not fit for office.

[Jeff-Groves]

And my position is none of those that ran are fit for Office.
And I don't just believe that. I know.
Do you even know what believe means?

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Don't matter who is in Office or President-Elect.
Past or present.
You brought up Morals and crimes. Not me.
Seeing as you explain away past moral, um, miss deeds?
What you whining about now?
You honestly thing there is a fiber of morality left in anyone in Washington?
Or in any of the States Offices of power?
You are deluded! Everyone of them would give you a BJ if it reaped them a benefit!

At one time. The Office of the President of the United States responsibility AND actions was consider sacrosanct!
That went away along time ago but now any departure from that is used by Parties to just cause problems.

So your answer to the immorality is to bemoan your impotence to change and to allow it to continue unabated and continue to stand, rather than make any attempt at all to try and curb it? How whiningly pathetic and small...



The Ides of March, Donny-Boy, the Ides of March...




Trump turns on Pence as Lincoln Project ad ‘gets in his head’, report says --

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tur...181555654.html


...the ad in question:






Trump better be careful: unless he really does plan to commit seppuku by self-pardoning, he's gonna need to stay on Pence's good side if he doesn't want to do a perp walk into a Federal Courthouse...




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[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by vienna

your impotence
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I'm not impotent.
Wanna see?


I believe, as a statement, is like saying, "I believe in God".
Who in fact is a non proven entity with non proven powers.
I can believe in the Power Rangers but what are the chances they fix any thing?
I could add I believe your misguided in your believes. Does that make any sense when you really look at it?

[mapuc]

I think the question here is:

Is there an American politician who are fit for the White House ?

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I think the question here is:

Is there an American politician who are fit for the White House ?

Markus

If you see that a person is a PROFESSIONAL Politician?
Then I'd say NO!

Millionaires or Billionaires win seats.
If they are not rich themselves? Millionaires or Billionaires back them.
Everyone has a price.
You only believe they don't. And I told you about belief!

[bstanko6]

Buddahaid...

no one is fit for office. Every president makes mistakes. That’s just human.

But picking a guy who is mentally ill, and a poor 47 year political career????

So if you need a surgeon you pick a plumber?