Subsim Narwhal Contest - Mod is now available, see post #662 - Page 52

Sledgehammer427 · 04-13-10, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman

If you have info about that I'd be glad to see it! I always wanted to build a scale model of the Narwhal

KIT: http://ironshipwrights.com/ships_350.html
(search for 4-132 on the page)

REVIEW: http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/misc/ships/sub.htm

I used the image from this site to build the under deck grating.

O_O
keltos, if you don't mind I can re-make that to fit the current model, that would be kinda cool

Hitman · 04-13-10, 03:16 PM

Thanks for the links

Sadly not a great model, and in a small scale

keltos01 · 04-14-10, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

REVIEW: http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/misc/ships/sub.htm

I used the image from this site to build the under deck grating.

O_O
keltos, if you don't mind I can re-make that to fit the current model, that would be kinda cool

is it me or the guns platform seems way too high ? I would rather stick with the historical pictures than use a model kit, since you don't know where they got their intel from and how accurate it is.

the arrangement of struts under the DG platform is (left side) what I built but I don't know where they got their info for the ones seen on the right side : angled struts ?

the scale of the model itself at 13 inches can't be that detailed either, I had that too with IJN subs models sent to me by Zaza...

In game scale is 1/10 and the model is 1/350 : do the math...

keltos

Sledgehammer427 · 04-14-10, 04:35 AM

No plastic model is perfect. I couldn't find any other Narwhal models, perhaps I will someday get into making my own molds...in 1/72 scale. No more complaints about detail then eh?

Looking at real life pictures of the grating, I am honestly quite stumped. on the model, yes, they are ridiculously high, my guess is in that scale the deck stands about 5 feet high. my honest guesstimate is about 3 feet in real life.

as for the pattern under the grating, perhaps we won't know, the grating on the plastic model has the right feel about it, even if it is ridiculously tall. Some of the prewar photos are pointing in that general direction, but since nobody is ever shining a spotlight down there in any of the pictures we have, we will just have to make up for the Navy's shortcomings.

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/ss167.pdf

there's the blueprints I used when I resized the model, I used photoshop to bump up the resolution as well as fix some of the missing edges (see the weather deck view, there's a mystical flag appearing there)

I used the tower (the size of the deadlights on both the picture and the model) to scale the background image and I just went to work with the stretch and scale. once I got the right length (blues reference, I have no way of reading any accurate measurement in MM3d, other than placing another object in the program, which, although simple, would take forever to delete) I went and scaled the sub's width, and I got the reference pictures you see there.

I get the feeling you feel a bit insulted, Keltos, it's not my intention, hand on my heart. I am always looking to improve things, no matter what, I'm always correcting my father's grammar and I'm always organizing the shelves at wal-mart (they lost a helluva kid when they rejected my application, yessir)
You have helped me through a lot since I started working on building mods for SHIV and I found it a privilege to work with you on the Narwhal, if it's true that you have taken offense in some way, I humbly apologise.

Maybe I am misinterpreting things as none of us are talking face-to-face and we have our own interpretations of how we are saying certain things as we type them. Okay, enough of my sleepless dribble.

Would you like me to send my rebuilt Narwhal stuff (models) over? I am quite confident that if it didn't look like a Narwhal then it most certainly does now!

keltos01 · 04-14-10, 08:34 AM

send your files over, both the mod and the obj. I'll take a look at it, and send then to Hitman too ok ?

no hard feelings but I know we had made a really good job with the Donation Narwhal, remember it took over 9 months of working, 3ding, researching and making the mod work.

btw : post the link to the original of the blueprint on the thread please.

keltos

Chillaxed614 · 04-15-10, 08:25 PM

I just downloaded this and everything went in no problem. Narwal came up as a selectable sub. Once I was in base all the crew screens, damage control, equipment screens etc. were from what looked like a gato or balao. The actual sub once I started my campaign looked like a gato with 2 guns, no big platforms, and a completely different conning tower than the Narwal in the picture. Im running RSRD and Operation Monsun. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys!

keltos01 · 04-16-10, 01:14 AM

?????

screenshots please.

the inside of the sub is a Salmon. You have the donation Narwhal right ?

keltos

Chillaxed614 · 04-16-10, 01:50 PM

Yes I have the donation one. I removed RSRD and OM and redid it and everything works great. Excellent job on this one, those dual 6 inch guns make short work of everything that comes broadsides to me

Keep up the great work guys!

I dont know if I read right but did some people have problems getting both to fire? If I set my target through the binoculars both fire perfectly fine.

keltos01 · 04-16-10, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chillaxed614

Yes I have the donation one. I removed RSRD and OM and redid it and everything works great. Excellent job on this one, those dual 6 inch guns make short work of everything that comes broadsides to me

Keep up the great work guys!

I dont know if I read right but did some people have problems getting both to fire? If I set my target through the binoculars both fire perfectly fine.

thanks !!! glad you like it.

there should be a patch for RFB and one for TMO coming out soon. Also for RSRD I think, they all received the mod so as to make a patch for it

glad you like it !!

keltos

Jan Kyster · 04-18-10, 09:50 AM

This thread need more pictures!

The unique arrangement of Argonaut's deck torpedo tubes, installed during her 1942 modernization:

The Narwhal, modernized a year later, has two of her added deck tubes much further forward than in the Nautilus and two at the very stern as in the Argonaut.
The tubes under the Narwhal's after gun remained non-firing stowage tanks for spare torpedoes...

The end... Nautilus waiting for the scrappers... Januar 1946:

Source:
The Fleet Submarine in the U.S. Navy
A Design And Construction History
John D. Alden, Commander U.S. Navy (retired)
ISBN 0-85368-203-8

Was in my mailbox Saturday morning

Carry on...

Admiral8Q · 04-28-10, 08:56 AM

Here's some more pictures I found.

USS Narwhal SS 167 (ex-V-5) in heavy seas. circa 1930's

Narwhal during Pearl Harbor attack. Gun crews on deck wait for
Japanese planes to come close enough to fire on. Narwhal shared credit
with several other ships for downing a Japanese torpedo bomber. Sailors
on the dock wait with rifles to shoot at the attackers. One has fixed a bayonet.

keltos01 · 05-04-10, 05:12 PM

Peabody's torpedo fix implemented

torpedo load as seen in patrol

Narwhal

thanks to Peabody !!!

sent to Neal as of now

keltos

Admiral8Q · 05-04-10, 11:16 PM

Now I'm missing "Narwhal.tga"

It 'Dings' and then there is a "Narwhal.tga not found" when I click on sub management before even leaving port.

keltos01 · 05-05-10, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral8Q

Now I'm missing "Narwhal.tga"

It 'Dings' and then there is a "Narwhal.tga not found" when I click on sub management before even leaving port.

@Admiral8Q :what tga ? what version do you have ?

just sent the Narwhal 1.83 to Neal :

all done : hopefully

- fixed the M02 DG in the .dat to 180,0,180

- fixed the surface radar date in the Narwhal.upc from NULL to 1942-07-05

- implemented Peabody's renaming torpedo tube fix (so no more german torpedoes showing up)

- added my flotillas fix Narwhal now available to all flotillas

keltos

Jan Kyster · 05-05-10, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keltos01

just sent the Narwhal 1.83 to Neal :

all done : hopefully

Excellent! Just one more patrol in Silversides before going full-time Narwhal!

Unfortunately I don't have the download link anymore...

Do you know if that Neal-character will send out new e-mails once download is ready?

04-13-10, 03:16 PM	#767
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Thanks for the links Sadly not a great model, and in a small scale __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

04-14-10, 04:35 AM	#769
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	No plastic model is perfect. I couldn't find any other Narwhal models, perhaps I will someday get into making my own molds...in 1/72 scale. No more complaints about detail then eh? Looking at real life pictures of the grating, I am honestly quite stumped. on the model, yes, they are ridiculously high, my guess is in that scale the deck stands about 5 feet high. my honest guesstimate is about 3 feet in real life. as for the pattern under the grating, perhaps we won't know, the grating on the plastic model has the right feel about it, even if it is ridiculously tall. Some of the prewar photos are pointing in that general direction, but since nobody is ever shining a spotlight down there in any of the pictures we have, we will just have to make up for the Navy's shortcomings. http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/ss167.pdf there's the blueprints I used when I resized the model, I used photoshop to bump up the resolution as well as fix some of the missing edges (see the weather deck view, there's a mystical flag appearing there) I used the tower (the size of the deadlights on both the picture and the model) to scale the background image and I just went to work with the stretch and scale. once I got the right length (blues reference, I have no way of reading any accurate measurement in MM3d, other than placing another object in the program, which, although simple, would take forever to delete) I went and scaled the sub's width, and I got the reference pictures you see there. I get the feeling you feel a bit insulted, Keltos, it's not my intention, hand on my heart. I am always looking to improve things, no matter what, I'm always correcting my father's grammar and I'm always organizing the shelves at wal-mart (they lost a helluva kid when they rejected my application, yessir) You have helped me through a lot since I started working on building mods for SHIV and I found it a privilege to work with you on the Narwhal, if it's true that you have taken offense in some way, I humbly apologise. Maybe I am misinterpreting things as none of us are talking face-to-face and we have our own interpretations of how we are saying certain things as we type them. Okay, enough of my sleepless dribble. Would you like me to send my rebuilt Narwhal stuff (models) over? I am quite confident that if it didn't look like a Narwhal then it most certainly does now! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

04-14-10, 08:34 AM	#770
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	send your files over, both the mod and the obj. I'll take a look at it, and send then to Hitman too ok ? no hard feelings but I know we had made a really good job with the Donation Narwhal, remember it took over 9 months of working, 3ding, researching and making the mod work. btw : post the link to the original of the blueprint on the thread please. keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-16-10, 01:14 AM	#772
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	????? screenshots please. the inside of the sub is a Salmon. You have the donation Narwhal right ? keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-28-10, 08:56 AM	#776
Admiral8Q Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada Posts: 1,080 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Here's some more pictures I found. USS Narwhal SS 167 (ex-V-5) in heavy seas. circa 1930's Narwhal during Pearl Harbor attack. Gun crews on deck wait for Japanese planes to come close enough to fire on. Narwhal shared credit with several other ships for downing a Japanese torpedo bomber. Sailors on the dock wait with rifles to shoot at the attackers. One has fixed a bayonet. __________________ Last edited by Admiral8Q; 04-28-10 at 09:12 AM.

04-15-10, 08:25 PM	#771
Chillaxed614 Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 10 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	I just downloaded this and everything went in no problem. Narwal came up as a selectable sub. Once I was in base all the crew screens, damage control, equipment screens etc. were from what looked like a gato or balao. The actual sub once I started my campaign looked like a gato with 2 guns, no big platforms, and a completely different conning tower than the Narwal in the picture. Im running RSRD and Operation Monsun. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys!

04-16-10, 01:50 PM	#773
Chillaxed614 Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 10 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	Yes I have the donation one. I removed RSRD and OM and redid it and everything works great. Excellent job on this one, those dual 6 inch guns make short work of everything that comes broadsides to me Keep up the great work guys! I dont know if I read right but did some people have problems getting both to fire? If I set my target through the binoculars both fire perfectly fine.

04-18-10, 09:50 AM	#775
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	This thread need more pictures! The unique arrangement of Argonaut's deck torpedo tubes, installed during her 1942 modernization: The Narwhal, modernized a year later, has two of her added deck tubes much further forward than in the Nautilus and two at the very stern as in the Argonaut. The tubes under the Narwhal's after gun remained non-firing stowage tanks for spare torpedoes... The end... Nautilus waiting for the scrappers... Januar 1946: Source: The Fleet Submarine in the U.S. Navy A Design And Construction History John D. Alden, Commander U.S. Navy (retired) ISBN 0-85368-203-8 Was in my mailbox Saturday morning Carry on...

05-04-10, 05:12 PM	#777
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	Peabody's torpedo fix implemented Peabody's torpedo fix implemented torpedo load as seen in patrol Narwhal thanks to Peabody !!! sent to Neal as of now keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

05-04-10, 11:16 PM	#778
Admiral8Q Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada Posts: 1,080 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Now I'm missing "Narwhal.tga" It 'Dings' and then there is a "Narwhal.tga not found" when I click on sub management before even leaving port. __________________ Last edited by Admiral8Q; 05-04-10 at 11:48 PM.