US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

There wasn't a "bloodbath" on Jan 6th. Quit making it out to be another storming of the Bastille.

People died and over a hundred officers were injured. Quit making it out to be Mrs. Johnson's Sunday School field trip.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

People died

The Capitol Police killed a young President Trump supporting woman by shooting blindly into a crowd. So brave!

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

People died and over a hundred officers were injured. Quit making it out to be Mrs. Johnson's Sunday School field trip.

So what you’re saying is Biden and his open border policy should be held responsible for the murder of Laken Riley? Makes about as much sense as Trump being responsible for the killing of Ashli Babbitt.

Reports range that anywhere from 80 to 120 thousand people showed up to exercise their constitutional right to have their voices heard (fascists hate that). Afterwards 78,800 to 118,800 including Trump peaceably left the event. 1,200 kooks stayed, wandered off the reservation and were arrested for breaking the law for trespassing.

Try again.

Anyday now, low hanging fruit, the true believers hope upon hope not to look like a fool after all these years and all that jazz.


Might want to stop reading the BBC , just a suggestion.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

People died and over a hundred officers were injured. Quit making it out to be Mrs. Johnson's Sunday School field trip.

Don't lie. Just one person was killed on Jan 6th, a single unarmed woman who was murdered by a cop. Mrs. Johnsons Sunday School trips probably involve more weapons than were carried by your so-called "Insurrectionists" on Jan 6th.


Not one single person, including that murdered woman, has ever been actually charged with insurrection though. Not one.

[Otto Harkaman]

Me: How many FBI agents were in the crowd at the capitol on Jan 6th?

AI Bing answer:
During the events at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, the FBI had a significant presence, including paid informants and undercover agents. However, the exact number of FBI agents in the crowd remains a matter of speculation and controversy.
Here are some key points:

1. Paid Informants:
   • The FBI had multiple paid informants present during the Capitol riot.
   • At least one informant was communicating with an FBI handler as they entered the Capitol.
   • The FBI lost track of the total number of informants and later conducted an audit to determine the exact count12.
2. Undercover Agents:
   • Former Capitol Hill Police Chief Steven Sund stated that the FBI had at least 18 undercover agents in the crowd.
   • Additionally, an estimated 20 agents from the Department of Homeland Security were also present1.
3. Comparison to Other Defendants:
   • Ray Epps, a former Marine and Trump supporter, was accused of being an FBI agent who incited violence during the riot.
   • Epps was sentenced to one year of probation for a misdemeanor charge related to his role in the Capitol attack3.
   • His case highlights the complexities of comparing outcomes for different defendants3.

In summary, while the exact number of FBI agents remains unclear, their presence underscores the intricate dynamics of the events on January 6th.

Me: Ray Epps sentencing Jan 6th

AI Bing answer:
Ray Epps, a former United States Marine and Oath Keepers chapter president, faced legal consequences for his involvement in the January 6, 2021 Capitol riot. Here’s what happened:

• Charge and Plea:
  • Epps was charged with one count of disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds.
  • He pleaded guilty to this misdemeanor charge in September 2023.
• Sentence:
  • Epps received one year of probation as part of his sentence.
  • Additionally, he was fined $25, ordered to pay $500 in restitution, and perform 100 hours of community service.
• Conspiracy Theories:
  • Conspiracy theories circulated, alleging that Epps was an undercover government agent acting on behalf of the FBI.
  • Epps and federal prosecutors denied these claims.
• Comparison to Other Defendants:
  • Epps is the only defendant sentenced with just one count of disorderly conduct.
  • Comparing outcomes, some similarities exist:
    • Prosecutors sought six months of prison time, which is the maximum sentence for this charge.
    • Epps’ attorney requested six months of probation for his client.
    • Other January 6 defendants received varying sentences, including prison time, supervised release, community service, and restitution1.

In summary, Epps’ sentencing reflects the complexities and variations in legal outcomes related to the Capitol riot.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Don't lie. Just one person was killed on Jan 6th, a single unarmed woman who was murdered by a cop. Mrs. Johnsons Sunday School trips probably involve more weapons than were carried by your so-called "Insurrectionists" on Jan 6th.


Not one single person, including that murdered woman, has ever been actually charged with insurrection though. Not one.

Not a random shooting, he fires on the first person climbing through. The line was drawn, she crossed it and deserved it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capito...eo-99180613572

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Not a random shooting, he fires on the first person climbing through. The line was drawn, she crossed it and deserved it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capito...eo-99180613572

Law enforcements use of force policy is very specific and in all my years of duty not once did I ever read of, nor was I ever instructed to use deadly force because someone crossed some imaginary line. Unless she threatened serious bodily injury or death the shooting of Ashli Babbitt was unwarranted. Frankly if that was the case everyone in the window should have been shot I’m sure full auto pray-n-spray would satisfy the likes of you wouldn’t it? Shame on you, ABC news is not the jury nor the judge and neither are you, drop it and seek help from a mental health professional. I’m serious, seek help it’s consuming you.

[Buddahaid]

What a bunch of crap. The barrier was broken into with clubs and whatever other items that are defined as weapons after other barriers were breached and officers injured.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/d...-ashli-babbitt

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

What a bunch of crap. The barrier was broken into with clubs and whatever other items that are defined as weapons after other barriers were breached and officers injured.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/d...-ashli-babbitt

Ms. Babbitt attempted to climb through one of the doors where glass was broken out. An officer inside the Speaker’s Lobby fired one round from his service pistol, striking Ms. Babbitt in the left shoulder, causing her to fall back from the doorway and onto the floor.

No use of force policy “when the barrier is broken” exists in this country. The only policy Im aware of that involves the use of deadly force to stop the commission of crime involves nuclear materials and to prevent serious bodily injury or death. What you posted makes no mention of either. It was a judgement call made by the officer involved and I’d wager that officer is in a living hell right now. He knows the truth, and neither you or the media knows jack. Quit politicizing the death of a fellow American and seek professional help.

[mapuc]

The right President will win the election, then peace will come upon the Americans thereafter the world.

Markus

[Reece]

I think they need new blood, both sides, Joe & Don are too old and both have had their time in office!

[August]

Originally Posted by Reece

I think they need new blood, both sides, Joe & Don are too old and both have had their time in office!

Couldn't agree more but these two Jamokes are what the parties came up with. The scary part is the next generation of politicians are no better.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

Couldn't agree more but these two Jamokes are what the parties came up with. The scary part is the next generation of politicians are no better.

As said before, there's no law who says you have to put your vote on one of those two candidate.

I had a weird dream some nights ago
Trump had won the election. Right after his deployment(not the correct word I know)he issued many decrees. He even travelled abroad many times to NK, Ru, Ukr, Chn, a.s.o. The immigrants from South stopped during the first year and peace came to USA. In the end of his term peace had come to Ukraine, Israel and rest of the world

Not so good to explain my dream experience

Sometimes a cigar is nothing but a cigar in a dream.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

As said before, there's no law who says you have to put your vote on one of those two candidate.

No there isn't but only two candidates have any chance of winning. A vote for a third party candidate may help the one that you like the least to win.

[Buddahaid]

Here’s a list of Trump cabinet members and others of his staff from his presidency that are on record stating they will not vote for him in 2024.

Mike Pence, VP
Bill Barr, AG
John Bolton, National Security Adviser
Jim Mattis, Defense Secretary
John Kelley, Chief of Staff
Mark Milley, former chair of the joint chiefs of staff
Dan Coats, former director of national intelligence
Mick Mulvaney, Chief of Staff
Karen Pence, former Second Lady
Marc Short, Pence Chief of Staff
Nikki Haley, ambassador to the United Nations
Anthony Scaramucci, White House communications director

There are a few more.