The revolt of Oskar Kusch, U-boat commander

Catfish · 05-21-21, 04:18 PM

Of couse he would have been instantly shot everywhere, in any navy of the day. You never criticise your 'superiors'. Always depends on the time, and circumstances .. never question your conscience and you'll be 'good'.

Google translation (first paragraph was ok..)

https://translate.google.com/transla...8-d88c1dae8b0b

Jimbuna · 05-22-21, 05:01 AM

A not often mentioned event....I read the book below two or three years ago.

Eichhörnchen · 05-22-21, 10:36 AM

Such a riveting story. It would indeed make for a terrific movie

Commander Wallace · 06-01-21, 02:31 PM

This is really a great read, Catfish. I meant to comment earlier but I was away. I had no idea of the story of Oskar Kusch. Thanks for posting this story, Kai.

Aktungbby · 06-01-21, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

Such a riveting story. It would indeed make for a terrific movie

let's hope not starring Tom Cruise...he's already died once for the Fatherland!?

Catfish · 06-01-21, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

let's hope not starring Tom Cruise...he's already died once for the Fatherland!?

Not really wishing him ill, more like a theoretical.. dissonance, imho this scientology adept cannot die often enough (at least in films)

Buddahaid · 06-01-21, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Not really wishing him ill, more like a theoretical.. dissonance, imho this scientology adept cannot die often enough (at least in films)

I rather liked him in Oblivion.

Catfish · 06-02-21, 02:09 AM

^ Which of all those male actors do you mean, in Oblivion?

I agree there are some good films with Tom Cruise as an actor, but he should keep personal beliefs to himself, especially in a case of a criminal organisation masquerading as religion

Re Kusch i wonder if such a thing would not have happened in any navy, during a war? Openly criticising your superiors as a commanding officer would probably have been called 'subversive' anywhere, and invoked a court martial.
Death sentence is another case, but we saw this in both world wars on all sides, when it came to alleged (not necessarily proven!) cowardice, treason or openly ciriticising your country's government.

The basic question as always is how far will you go with orders given to you, if they violate international law or are ethically wrong. What i found intersting is that you were not allowed to be a party member (of any political party), when you entered the german navy of this time.

Bilge_Rat · 06-08-21, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Death sentence is another case, but we saw this in both world wars on all sides, when it came to alleged (not necessarily proven!) cowardice, treason or openly ciriticising your country's government.

well know, you can't compare the two. Germans were particulalrly brutal and savage and maintained order and discipline by mass executions.

The U.S. military executed around 100 soldiers in ww2, but all but one had been convicted of murder or rape of civilians. Only one (1) soldier was executed for desertion.

OTOH, the German armed forces executed 15,000 of its own soldiers for desertion. Kusch was not an isolated incident.

Catfish · 06-08-21, 09:35 AM

Thanks, i did not know those numbers

I meant a comparable rank like a captain or commander of a ship, or submarine acting like this, but still.. some 'contrast'.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Which of all those male actors do you mean, in Oblivion? I agree there are some good films with Tom Cruise as an actor, but he should keep personal beliefs to himself, especially in a case of a criminal organisation masquerading as religion Re Kusch i wonder if such a thing would not have happened in any navy, during a war? Openly criticising your superiors as a commanding officer would probably have been called 'subversive' anywhere, and invoked a court martial. Death sentence is another case, but we saw this in both world wars on all sides, when it came to alleged (not necessarily proven!) cowardice, treason or openly ciriticising your country's government. The basic question as always is how far will you go with orders given to you, if they violate international law or are ethically wrong. What i found intersting is that you were not allowed to be a party member (of any political party), when you entered the german navy of this time. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Thanks, i did not know those numbers I meant a comparable rank like a captain or commander of a ship, or submarine acting like this, but still.. some 'contrast'. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,017 Downloads: 360 Uploads: 0	This is really a great read, Catfish. I meant to comment earlier but I was away. I had no idea of the story of Oskar Kusch. Thanks for posting this story, Kai.