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05-21-18, 05:28 PM | #1 | |
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Here in Canada for example smoking cigarettes is practically outlawed. You can smoke but the Government has made it very hard and embarrassing if you do. Tobacco products cannot be displayed in stores, pharmacies cannot sell tobacco products, you can't smoke near the entrance of a public building, in a restaurant or bar etc. These draconian measures (if you're a smoker) did not happen over night. It took a while and there was lots of push back. And the Gov't is not done. None of it would have happened if it was attempted all at once. And that in my opinion would be the plan if you want to do anything similar. Small steps over a long period of time.
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05-21-18, 06:12 PM | #2 | |
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Huge (or, if you prefer, "Yuuuge!!") difference is the rigt to bear arms is in the US Constitution and any actual effort to fully implement a full confiscation would be a Federal criminal act and even an attempt to do a "dirbs and drabs" approach would be so time consuming, expensive and telegraphed as to be useless; the court challenges as the 'process' played out alone would tie up every thing for so long the sun would probably extinguish before all the guns were collected. And any thought of an abolishing of the 2nd Amendment is a non-starter: the 2nd is part of the Bill Of Rights, a vital portion of the Constitution so sacrosanct as to be beyond touch... Now, I am basing this on the presumption cigarette smoking is not guaranteed by the Canadian Constitution as a specific fundamental right, but I could be wrong: Canadians are such strange creatures... ...polite, yet strange... <O>
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05-21-18, 07:17 PM | #3 | ||
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05-21-18, 08:24 PM | #4 | |
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..and I didn't say you made such a suggestion nor did I mean to imply the gun lobby condoned an abolishing; what I was saying is the 2nd, as part of the Bill Of Rights is so much a part of the American fabric as to be beyond touch, making the arguments and claims about massive governmental seizure of guns pure fantasy and seems to be only a ruse by the NRA, gun manufacturers, and certain political interests to keep up a dwindling membership and political base. And the idea of a totalitarian government ever holding sway in the US is equally as far-fetched; with a free press, social media, and other means, the ability for any party, group or individual to achieve a totalitarian hold on the government is pretty impossible; even Trump, who seems to have "banana republic" tendencies can't get away with anything with all the coverage and analysis of his actions. The truth is its not the 2nd that is the best defense of America: it is the First Amendment since without the free flow of information, the chance of something like a repeal of the 2nd would very much greatly increase; knowing what the government is up to is the best defense against the government accruing too much power; if they are 'going to come for your guns', it will only succeed because you won't know they're coming... There is a reason the First Amendment is in that lofty position: the Founding Fathers knew what was most important to preserve all that followed in the document - the ability of Americans to keep an eye on the workings of their leaders, the right to voice their concerns, and the protections of the free flow of information and ideas. Tyranny and oppression only thrive in the dark vacuum of silence and deception... <O>
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