UK Politics Thread

[Skybird]

An essay in two parts. It demasks the imperial arrogance of the EU in its haughty dealing with the UK and hints at the deeper intentions of why the EU is so determined in trying to use Backstop as a way to crack down on London until it either renders the executed Brexit as so soft that it is meaningless, or the UK steps back form Brexit alltogether. It goes far beyond just the UK. Any way it is a list of reasons for why I dispise the EU so much and want it to be destroyed - at any cost. Because we must start to learn form history. The existence of the EU as it is now and as they want it, shows that we do not learn at all. We repeat the mistakes of the past - and celebrate ourselves for it.



https://translate.google.de/translat...hochmut_der_eu


https://translate.google.de/translat...eu_protekoriar

[STEED]

If corbyn thinks he can get more votes than the brexit party he is not seeing the bigger picture. Mind you even the tories and libs seem rather off the ball or worried behind closed doors.

[STEED]

Oh please not her throwing her hat into the tory leadership ring.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48212755

[Reece]

I'll do this for you STEED:

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by STEED

Oh please not her throwing her hat into the tory leadership ring.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48212755

Jesus H Christ thats all we need this evil cow will make thatcher look like an angel

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

An essay in two parts. It demasks the imperial arrogance of the EU in its haughty dealing with the UK and hints at the deeper intentions of why the EU is so determined in trying to use Backstop as a way to crack down on London until it either renders the executed Brexit as so soft that it is meaningless, or the UK steps back form Brexit alltogether. It goes far beyond just the UK. Any way it is a list of reasons for why I dispise the EU so much and want it to be destroyed - at any cost. Because we must start to learn form history. The existence of the EU as it is now and as they want it, shows that we do not learn at all. We repeat the mistakes of the past - and celebrate ourselves for it.



https://translate.google.de/translat...hochmut_der_eu


https://translate.google.de/translat...eu_protekoriar

Most interesting and informative Sky

I'm wondering how keen they will be to hang onto Britains financial contributions though after the Brexit MEP's take their seats

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by BossMark

Jesus H Christ thats all we need this evil cow will make thatcher look like an angel

The only two I would consider would be Hunt and Javid but I fear Boris will be the party favourite.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Most interesting and informative Sky

Yes, but a very frustrating read. Shows how deep in the EU mess we are really.

Honestly said, and without allowing galloping emotions to exaggerate my reason and assessment, I think the EU, what it wants to be and enforces to become, will become the very reason why Europe will see another round of huge conflict and huge war breaking out again sooner or later. The EU will become the reason of its own self-fulfilling prophecy. And the stronger it will have become by that time, the more mercilessly and dearly the people across Europe will suffer from that conflict then. This consequence is only natural, and thus unavoidable. But should one take worry or comfort from that?

Wehret den Anfängen, resist the beginnings, is a common German slogan since WWII. Its just that the Germans misinterpret it 180 degrees at the wrong direction. And along with them a whole continental population of almost half a billion. Its discouraging, and frustrating. Anothger common German slogan is Nie wieder Krieg, Never war again. How wrong and misled this is. It rules out to defend the good and the worthyful. The german consequence of the Third Reich should have been: Never again fighting for the evil and the totalitarian and the wrong. Always make sure to only fight on the side of the good and worthy, for our German as well as European freedom and dignity.


Not for some increasingly feudal tyranny.

[Jimbuna]

I'm not so sure war or military conflict will be the eventual outcome but I do believe it will all end up in some kind of turmoil eventually.

[Skybird]

It already has begun. In the past 10-20 years, rifts have deepened and gaps have widened. The currency has not brought growing equality of economic regions, but growing alienation and a sharpenign of economic contrasts. A growing conflict about redistrubuting the reserves of the net payers to the net receivers gets enforced by the ECB and even international organisations like WB and ICF. Massive Muslim migration and mass migration of foreign young men with totally different cultural socialisation and values. Growing hostility from Eastern nations confronting the EU increasingly becasue they do not want all this madness. Growing scepticism in populations, a decline in own identity. Growing independence movements in practically all parts of Europe. Growing extremism and religious orthodoxy. Growing totalitarian demand by the EU itself. Growing aggressiveness of special interest groups influencing the EU legislation.

Once the economic component goes berserk due to Europe not being able anymore to compete with the Asian-Chinese block (we lack behind in education, technological key branches, demographic development, school quality, and we fall behind ever more) and Silicon valley industries, things will become interesting.

The knifes sit much looser than you may think possible, Jim. The walls of the European house are made more of paint than solid bricks. And maybe we will be thankful for that, once the conflict can no longer be denied. We are too full of ourselves, we have no longer a realistic self-perception. China, Islam, US key corporations to whose parties we all have come already too late, demography, an impotent currency system, and paedagogic self-erosion of our education systems - it all comes together and makes that perfect storm that simply is too strong for us.

Thats why I see Brexit as a big chance for your country - if only you Brits would start to interpret it serious in all drastic consequence. Its your chance to win distance to the coastline of the EU and to ride out the upformign Tsunami on the high sea, in deep water. Much better to face it there than close to the EU-coast. A metaphor, but you may understand what I mean. Cut ties to the continent. It may save you in the future of this century. Germany (and others) - is lost, i have already written it off, would not bet a penny on its longtime perspectives. The EU simply in no way is fit for the challenges of the big world game. Its Asia/China and the US and to a certain degree Russia dominating that game.

[Jimbuna]

I'm expecting the arrival of my first grandchild in a week or so and I sincerely hope much of the above does not come to fruition, for her sake

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile...

Prime Minister Theresa May could set a date for her resignation in the coming days, the chairman of the Conservative backbench 1922 Committee has said.

The PM said she will step down when her Brexit deal is ratified by Parliament - but some MPs want a fixed date.

Sir Graham Brady said he expects a "clear understanding" of that timetable once she has met the committee, which she will do on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48235917

[Jimbuna]

Royal Mail is investigating fake stamps featuring Diane Abbott's face which are apparently making their way through the postal network.

An anonymous man claiming to be a London postman shared images of the red stamps - one of which was franked - with several news outlets.

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-mai...tamps-11716853

[STEED]

Brexit: Gavin Williamson attacks Theresa May's talks with Labour

Mrs May is hoping to reach a cross-party consensus on her withdrawal agreement after failing to get it through Parliament three times.

But Mr Williamson - sacked over the Huawei leak - told the Mail on Sunday the talks were "destined to fail".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48241606

Of course they will, Labour has no interest in Brexit they want a general election so why should they go along with May.

[STEED]

Tony Blair on SKY has urged Ex-Labour supporters who have gone off labour to vote for one of the other remain parties in the EU elections. I don't see Jim doing that any time soon.