[REL] Open Horizons II - Page 58

flostt · 03-21-12, 01:48 PM

I dont want to torp this thread and destroy some very good ideas, but the sim is called

SH5 - Battle of the Atlantic

Do we really need to include a Monsun Gruppe where the operational area is 1000's of kilometers away

Well, most of the action (german u-boat attacks on shipping) happened in the Atlantic and in the Mediterranean...

gap · 03-21-12, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by flostt

I dont want to torp this thread and destroy some very good ideas, but the sim is called

SH5 - Battle of the Atlantic

Well, this is why mods do exist: they modify a game. After all the mod we are talking about is called Open Horizons, not Open Atlantic. If Trevally wants its orizons to be open, I don't see why we would close them

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Originally Posted by flostt

Do we really need to include a Monsun Gruppe where the operational area is 1000's of kilometers away

No, we don't need it. We can just try to do it, if we want. I was just answering to Trevally, asking for some new ideas...

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Originally Posted by flostt

Well, most of the action (german u-boat attacks on shipping) happened in the Atlantic and in the Mediterranean...

Mediterranean is not the Atlantic. Including the Mare Nostrum campaign in a game called Battle of the Atlantic should be considered the latest blunder made by devs!

misha1967 · 03-22-12, 08:47 AM

Quick question, Trevally: I've been having trouble getting my targets to sink in any way other than straight and level, sitting and bobbing on the surface for ages first, even when cracked in two right down the middle. No lists, no rolling over, no going down bow or stern first, just slowly getting deeper in the water until they finally sink and settle, I would assume, perfectly level on the bottom.

So I went hunting for mods that modify the Zones.cfg file from TDW's FX 0.0.19 and I found that OHII 1.7 enviro does that. Obviously, my first thought was that it simply adds zones to the new types of objects, but is there something in there that might affect the way that ships blow up and sink?

Thanks

[EDIT]: Never mind. Ran a WinMerge comparison on the Zones.cfg from FX 0_0_19 and OHII enviro 1.7 and they're completely identical. Back to the drawing board

vit90 · 03-22-12, 09:18 AM

Guys! Who has save campaign files? Give me please, at least that campaign to Mediterranean was open. And that windows broke and together with it and my save files. I want to continue the game...

Trevally. · 03-22-12, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by misha1967

Quick question, Trevally: I've been having trouble getting my targets to sink in any way other than straight and level, sitting and bobbing on the surface for ages first, even when cracked in two right down the middle. No lists, no rolling over, no going down bow or stern first, just slowly getting deeper in the water until they finally sink and settle, I would assume, perfectly level on the bottom.

So I went hunting for mods that modify the Zones.cfg file from TDW's FX 0.0.19 and I found that OHII 1.7 enviro does that. Obviously, my first thought was that it simply adds zones to the new types of objects, but is there something in there that might affect the way that ships blow up and sink?

Thanks

[EDIT]: Never mind. Ran a WinMerge comparison on the Zones.cfg from FX 0_0_19 and OHII enviro 1.7 and they're completely identical. Back to the drawing board

Yes misha they are the same files

TDW added the icebergs and mines to the game and they use the zone files as do the new ships.

For the sinking of ships - I have had a few capsize and sink by both bow and stern. But for the most part they do sink boring level.

I have made a test mission here https://rapidshare.com/files/3435443...nking_Tests.7z
It put you in front of a few stopped ships to test sinking.

I have noticed that if you hit a BB high on the waterline - it may turn over.

Here are some tests I ran when I shot of a stern

Here I noticed that when the main hull hit the bottom and was removed from the game - the stern was still afloat and resulted in a ctd

misha1967 · 03-22-12, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevally.

Here I noticed that when the main hull hit the bottom and was removed from the game - the stern was still afloat and resulted in a ctd

Every time you think you've seen every possible glitch this sim might throw at us, you find another

Well, at least I'm not the only one thinking that the ships tend to sink in pretty much the same way every time. I was beginning to think that maybe it was all in my head.

Thanks for the reply!

quink99 · 03-22-12, 03:02 PM

I, for one, think that the proposed Monsun Campaign is an appropriate part of the U-boat's WWWII history and most look forward to it.

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Originally posted by Trevally
The only thing I am not sure if I can do is to place bunkers where they would need to be (have not tried before)

To the best of my knowledge and readings no bunkers were used in any of the asian bases which the U-boats used during Monsun. They were all conventional docks and ports;principally Japanese naval bases.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 03-22-12, 04:30 PM

Trevally could you please re-upload this mod to a different host site as the current one is having some problems.

Trevally. · 03-22-12, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

Trevally could you please re-upload this mod to a different host site as the current one is having some problems.

Working ok for me

I will add it to a new site tomorrow

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 03-22-12, 05:49 PM

Thanks much Trevally, I'm looking foward to using OHII!

gap · 03-22-12, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by quink99

I, for one, think that the proposed Monsun Campaign is an appropriate part of the U-boat's WWWII history and most look forward to it.

At least I have scored 1 point!

By the way, I've discovered that both GWX and Operation Monsun for SHIV by lurker featured a monsun campaign. Has any sea dog here ever played these mods? I hope I didn't offend anyone by mentioning GWX in public!

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Originally Posted by quink99

To the best of my knowledge and readings no bunkers were used in any of the asian bases which the U-boats used during Monsun. They were all conventional docks and ports;principally Japanese naval bases.

Yes, you are probably right. I've found on axihistory forum this thread on the subject. It features some information and pictures, but I am sure that you have access to better sources than this one.
This is another picture I've found, showing U-boats docked along the pier of Penang:

Trevally. · 03-23-12, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

Thanks much Trevally, I'm looking foward to using OHII!

https://rapidshare.com/files/1195849...full_v1.7.5.7z

Trevally. · 03-23-12, 05:13 AM

Moving the bunker would be required for starting objectives and to give the upgrade officer and the KMO.

To make the bunkers open piers - Im sure that would need to be done in the gr2 files

I will finish v1.8 first and then look at testing moving the bunkers

gap · 03-23-12, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Moving the bunker would be required for starting objectives and to give the upgrade officer and the KMO.

To make the bunkers open piers - Im sure that would need to be done in the gr2 files

I will finish v1.8 first and then look at testing moving the bunkers

Thank you Trevally, you are the man!

However, 'til now I didn't see too much enthousiasm here around Monsun campaign

I wonder if bringing it into OHII is worth your efforts...

Trevally. · 03-23-12, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

Thank you Trevally, you are the man!

However, 'til now I didn't see too much enthousiasm here around Monsun campaign

I wonder if bringing it into OHII is worth your efforts...

Yes - making this would require all layers built from scratch with new nations, ports, traffic etc. Is it worth it for 1 campaign section

03-21-12, 01:48 PM	#856
flostt Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Switzerland Posts: 388 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I dont want to torp this thread and destroy some very good ideas, but the sim is called SH5 - Battle of the Atlantic Do we really need to include a Monsun Gruppe where the operational area is 1000's of kilometers away Well, most of the action (german u-boat attacks on shipping) happened in the Atlantic and in the Mediterranean... __________________ Von den 40'000 deutschen U-Boot-Männern des Zweiten Weltkrieges kehrten 30'000 nicht zurück... 40’000 German sailors served on U-boats during World War II – 30’000 never returned home...

03-22-12, 08:47 AM	#858
misha1967 Commander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 470 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Quick question, Trevally: I've been having trouble getting my targets to sink in any way other than straight and level, sitting and bobbing on the surface for ages first, even when cracked in two right down the middle. No lists, no rolling over, no going down bow or stern first, just slowly getting deeper in the water until they finally sink and settle, I would assume, perfectly level on the bottom. So I went hunting for mods that modify the Zones.cfg file from TDW's FX 0.0.19 and I found that OHII 1.7 enviro does that. Obviously, my first thought was that it simply adds zones to the new types of objects, but is there something in there that might affect the way that ships blow up and sink? Thanks [EDIT]: Never mind. Ran a WinMerge comparison on the Zones.cfg from FX 0_0_19 and OHII enviro 1.7 and they're completely identical. Back to the drawing board __________________ Ansonsten, Herr Lutter, ist alles in Butter Liqui-cooled Intel i2550K @ 4.2 GHz, 8 Gb RAM, GTX 970 GPU Last edited by misha1967; 03-22-12 at 09:50 AM.

03-22-12, 09:18 AM	#859
vit90 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 31 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	SAVE!!!!! Guys! Who has save campaign files? Give me please, at least that campaign to Mediterranean was open. And that windows broke and together with it and my save files. I want to continue the game...

03-22-12, 04:30 PM	#863
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Trevally could you please re-upload this mod to a different host site as the current one is having some problems. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

03-22-12, 05:49 PM	#865
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Thanks much Trevally, I'm looking foward to using OHII! __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

03-23-12, 05:13 AM	#868
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Moving the bunker would be required for starting objectives and to give the upgrade officer and the KMO. To make the bunkers open piers - Im sure that would need to be done in the gr2 files I will finish v1.8 first and then look at testing moving the bunkers __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5