The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar - Page 57

Catfish · 02-29-16, 03:02 AM

Well it seems they blew the hardliners away in the election.. good for them.
We will have to see how this turns out, but for now it does not look bad at all:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...sts-make-gains

Before and during the days of the Shah, Persia/Iran was a striving country. The Shah's dictatorship, torture and suppression lead to the rise of the Ayatollahs, you can imagine what the Shah was like, when they preferred a cleric madman like Chomeini.

Anyway iranian terrorists are relatively rare, so it does not quite fit in this thread.

Of course, just of all Saudi-Arabia now tries to stab Iran.. seems apart from Shiite and Sunnite there are also other axes they like to grind. And of course, saudi-arabian terrorists do not exist, in the US media. Such a great ally.

Oberon · 02-29-16, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Anyway iranian terrorists are relatively rare, so it does not quite fit in this thread.

Yeah, I'm just loathe to start a new thread about it, so I just dump it all in here, since at the end of the day it's going to have a knock on effect to Middle Eastern terrorism because of the Shia/Sunni war.

Skybird · 02-29-16, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Anyway iranian terrorists are relatively rare, so it does not quite fit in this thread.

Iran is one of the biggest - one of the top three - financiers of Muslim terrorism wordwide, beside Saudi Arabia, Quatar, UAE, privateers in Marocco, and not counting the weapons deals of Turkey with the IS. Iran also runs multiple proxy war operations and has military advisers and special commandos operating and participating in combat action in several countries it wants to destabilize.

All called allies of the West. Interesting.

Iranian terrorists "relatively rare"? Not in the world I live in.

Skybird · 02-29-16, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Anyway iranian terrorists are relatively rare, so it does not quite fit in this thread.

Iran is one of the biggest - one of the top three - financiers of Muslim terrorism wordwide, beside Saudi Arabia, Quatar, UAE, privateers in Marocco, and not counting the weapons deals of Turkey with the IS. Iran also runs multiple proxy war operations and has military advisers and special commandos operating and participating in combat action in several countries it wants to destabilize.

All called allies of the West. Interesting. Nice friends we made ourselves.

Iranian terrorists "relatively rare"? Not in the world I live in.

Catfish · 02-29-16, 08:12 AM

^ hmm you seem to be right, but then there are so much conflicting reports. I rest my case.

2013:
http://www.merkur.de/politik/us-repo...r-2933363.html

2015:
http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2...hani-islambild

This just in:
http://www.israelnetz.com/arabische-...aedigen-95119/

Especially the last

Betonov · 02-29-16, 08:14 AM

Iranian funded terrorists rarely hit the west.
When it comes to Syria and the rest of the middle east hotspots, they're like ants (probably)

Catfish · 02-29-16, 08:16 AM

Yep, seldomly sold to the sheep here in the media, but it's all in the web, everywhere. Must have completely overlooked that

Sorry.

@ Skybird – aber was sagt man hierzu (?):
"Ähnlich im Irak: Obwohl der Iran sich verpflichtete, die Stabilisierung im Irak zu unterstützen, hat er – in Reaktion auf den Vormarsch von ISIL im Irak – die Ausbildung und Finanzierung irakischer schiitischer Milizen verstärkt. Viele von diesen Gruppen, wie zum Beispiel die „Kata’ib Hisbollah“, haben zur Erhöhung religiöser Spannungen im Irak beigetragen und an hauptsächlich sunnitischen Zivilpersonen schwere Menschenrechtsverletzungen begangen. Die IRGC-QF hat gemeinsam mit der libanesischen Hisbollah außerhalb des Irak Truppen ausgebildet, doch ebenso zu schiitischen Milizen im Irak Berater geschickt, zum Bau und Gebrauch von raffiniert improvisierter Sprengtechnik (IED) und anderem fortgeschrittenen Militärgerät. Ähnlich den Kämpfern der Hisbollah setzten diese ausgebildeten Schiiten ihre Fähigkeiten ein, um für das Assad-Regime in Syrien bzw. gegen ISIL im Irak zu kämpfen."

Ach so, ja, äh, was?

Skybird · 02-29-16, 08:20 AM

I only giggle these days when I hear the West claiming that Rohani is a "moderate" - that is jujst wishful thinking so that Wetsern diplomats can assume they have somebody to talk to seriously. Rohani never was moderate at all, he is just much more clever than some others, hiding his very fundamentalist nature. He is an unwavered defender of a nculear program for Iran capable to form nuclear weapons, he always was, and still is. He just does not make waves about it.

A wolf in a sheep's clothing.

The West just desperately wants to believe anything that fits its hopes for not needing to accept a conflict over something, anything. Falling back - not standing up. Lip-confessions, not defending for real.

States have no friends - states have interests. That is true for Iran as well.

Oberon · 02-29-16, 08:29 AM

Aye, at the end of the day they're both as bad as each other, Iran and Saudi Arabia, perhaps there will be reform but I doubt it. But there will be continued conflict, and if Iran does happen to get the bomb, it won't aim it at us, it'll aim it at Riyadh, and Saudi Arabia will get a bomb from Pakistan and point it at Tehran.
The west getting drawn into this is a bad idea, Russia is already in, let them play. Unfortunately with the whole oil dependency thing I doubt that we'll stay out, looking at the next two candidates for US presidency I'd say that it's almost guaranteed that the US will be going back into the middle of this Middle Eastern conflict.

Catfish · 02-29-16, 10:34 AM

The situation is as usual, a lot of young better-educated people of the population want a better life in all respects, while another lot of conservative and religious people prefer the ways as they are.
And their government screws them all.

Election of a certain (modern) party in a lot of rural places was b.t.w. forbidden, in Iran. Because of "religious reasons".. and in those areas, the Ayatollahs still got their votes. If they had tried to pull this off in bigger towns like Teheran, there would have been an instant-revolution.

August · 02-29-16, 08:11 PM

How far ahead are the Iranians to building their own bomb compared to the Saudis?

Oberon · 02-29-16, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by August

How far ahead are the Iranians to building their own bomb compared to the Saudis?

AFAIK the Saudis haven't really made too much of an effort to get a bomb, although they've had groundwork for it, I believe they're working with the Chinese to get some nuclear power stations up and running by 2030, and they did have involvement with the short lived Iraqi nuclear program back in the day. If Iran did decide to go for a bomb then Saudi Arabia would get weapons either traded or on loan from Pakistan, I believe that is the unofficial agreement.
The Iranians though have put a hold on their nuclear program, I think that Mossad was doing a good job of quietly killing anyone involved with it, and with the sanctions biting in and oil prices coming down, it's probably easier for Iran to take on Saudi Arabia without a nuclear weapon than it is with one. If Israel got involved in the Sunni/Shia war then that might change, but at the moment Iran has got Saudi Arabia very worried, and with the turn of public opinion in the west away from Saudi Arabia, Iran has found itself in a stronger position with a more isolated Saudi opponent, and with Russia on its side in Syria helping to push the Saudi backed forces out and a quagmire in Yemen (which has shown some extremely large deficiencies in the Saudi military, such as Saudi M1A2 MBTs being destroyed by Iranian copies of the Konkurs ATGM, and other American bought equipment being abandoned to the enemy as the ill trained crew flee the battlefield.
And this is just the opening phases of this religious cold war, I can't rule out nuclear weapons being bought in at a later date, but it would depend on a lot of factors.

Oberon · 03-01-16, 04:17 PM

"The names change, the world doesn't."

Schroeder · 03-03-16, 10:23 AM

Here's a little video about what the German efforts against DEASH are:

03-03-16, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Here's a little video about what the German efforts against DEASH are:

6 Tornados.

So... basically all we are able to get airborne?

02-29-16, 03:02 AM	#841
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,904 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Well it seems they blew the hardliners away in the election.. good for them. We will have to see how this turns out, but for now it does not look bad at all: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...sts-make-gains Before and during the days of the Shah, Persia/Iran was a striving country. The Shah's dictatorship, torture and suppression lead to the rise of the Ayatollahs, you can imagine what the Shah was like, when they preferred a cleric madman like Chomeini. Anyway iranian terrorists are relatively rare, so it does not quite fit in this thread. Of course, just of all Saudi-Arabia now tries to stab Iran.. seems apart from Shiite and Sunnite there are also other axes they like to grind. And of course, saudi-arabian terrorists do not exist, in the US media. Such a great ally. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 02-29-16 at 04:57 AM.*

02-29-16, 08:12 AM	#845
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,904 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ hmm you seem to be right, but then there are so much conflicting reports. I rest my case. 2013: http://www.merkur.de/politik/us-repo...r-2933363.html 2015: http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2...hani-islambild This just in: http://www.israelnetz.com/arabische-...aedigen-95119/ Especially the last __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-29-16, 08:16 AM	#847
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,904 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Yep, seldomly sold to the sheep here in the media, but it's all in the web, everywhere. Must have completely overlooked that Sorry. @ Skybird – aber was sagt man hierzu (?): "Ähnlich im Irak: Obwohl der Iran sich verpflichtete, die Stabilisierung im Irak zu unterstützen, hat er – in Reaktion auf den Vormarsch von ISIL im Irak – die Ausbildung und Finanzierung irakischer schiitischer Milizen verstärkt. Viele von diesen Gruppen, wie zum Beispiel die „Kata’ib Hisbollah“, haben zur Erhöhung religiöser Spannungen im Irak beigetragen und an hauptsächlich sunnitischen Zivilpersonen schwere Menschenrechtsverletzungen begangen. Die IRGC-QF hat gemeinsam mit der libanesischen Hisbollah außerhalb des Irak Truppen ausgebildet, doch ebenso zu schiitischen Milizen im Irak Berater geschickt, zum Bau und Gebrauch von raffiniert improvisierter Sprengtechnik (IED) und anderem fortgeschrittenen Militärgerät. Ähnlich den Kämpfern der Hisbollah setzten diese ausgebildeten Schiiten ihre Fähigkeiten ein, um für das Assad-Regime in Syrien bzw. gegen ISIL im Irak zu kämpfen." Ach so, ja, äh, was? __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 02-29-16 at 08:22 AM.*

02-29-16, 08:20 AM	#848
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,631 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I only giggle these days when I hear the West claiming that Rohani is a "moderate" - that is jujst wishful thinking so that Wetsern diplomats can assume they have somebody to talk to seriously. Rohani never was moderate at all, he is just much more clever than some others, hiding his very fundamentalist nature. He is an unwavered defender of a nculear program for Iran capable to form nuclear weapons, he always was, and still is. He just does not make waves about it. A wolf in a sheep's clothing. The West just desperately wants to believe anything that fits its hopes for not needing to accept a conflict over something, anything. Falling back - not standing up. Lip-confessions, not defending for real. States have no friends - states have interests. That is true for Iran as well. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-29-16, 10:34 AM	#850
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,904 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The situation is as usual, a lot of young better-educated people of the population want a better life in all respects, while another lot of conservative and religious people prefer the ways as they are. And their government screws them all. Election of a certain (modern) party in a lot of rural places was b.t.w. forbidden, in Iran. Because of "religious reasons".. and in those areas, the Ayatollahs still got their votes. If they had tried to pull this off in bigger towns like Teheran, there would have been an instant-revolution. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-29-16, 08:14 AM	#846
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Iranian funded terrorists rarely hit the west. When it comes to Syria and the rest of the middle east hotspots, they're like ants (probably)

02-29-16, 08:29 AM	#849
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Aye, at the end of the day they're both as bad as each other, Iran and Saudi Arabia, perhaps there will be reform but I doubt it. But there will be continued conflict, and if Iran does happen to get the bomb, it won't aim it at us, it'll aim it at Riyadh, and Saudi Arabia will get a bomb from Pakistan and point it at Tehran. The west getting drawn into this is a bad idea, Russia is already in, let them play. Unfortunately with the whole oil dependency thing I doubt that we'll stay out, looking at the next two candidates for US presidency I'd say that it's almost guaranteed that the US will be going back into the middle of this Middle Eastern conflict.

02-29-16, 08:11 PM	#851
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,705 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How far ahead are the Iranians to building their own bomb compared to the Saudis?

03-01-16, 04:17 PM	#853
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	"The names change, the world doesn't."

03-03-16, 10:23 AM	#854
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Here's a little video about what the German efforts against DEASH are: __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.