US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

But the impeachment is a constitutional process or is it not? So if Trump doesn't beat the charges, whatever they maybe in the end and thus is removed from office lawfully, it would be fine to start a revolution? Am I missing something here, I mean that's what em2nought suggested with his comments or was it not?

The only time it is ever "right" to start a revolution is if you win. That was true in 1776 and it is still true today. If the Continentals had failed it's a fair bet that our founding fathers and a great majority of their supporters would have ended their days dancing from a British gibbet.


The only way I could ever support a revolution, and I imagine that em2 is of similar opinion is if I thought, as they say in Rhode Island, "the fix was in", but even that isn't enough imo because there no such thing as a lone revolutionary, at least not one that will win.

[mapuc]

At any given time

There will always be people or voters who feel there's time for a revolution mostly because it didn't worked as they had hoped for under an election and years after.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Really? I fail to see the connection between patriotic Americans defending their elected president and a gang of nazis known for street fighting and other riotous behavior. If you're looking for behavior more closely resembling the brown shirts look no further than that radical arm of the Democratic party called Antifa.

I see your point and don't disagree in principal, but the veiled threat

Originally Posted by em2nought

Remove Trump from the equation and there will be something other than an election.

of a right wing junta just crosses the line between patriotism and revolution. And don't give me pictures of the colonies revolting against the British as some relevant example. It is not the same thing.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I see your point and don't disagree in principal, but the veiled threat of a right wing junta just crosses the line between patriotism and revolution. And don't give me pictures of the colonies revolting against the British as some relevant example. It is not the same thing.

I'll take a veiled threat of a right wing junta over the far more naked ambitions of the left any day. But are we talking about a movement or just a private citizen demonstrating his frustration with divisive and never ending drive to remove the president?

[Buddahaid]

You tell me. Just the thought of that being a viable alternative is repulsive to me.

[Skybird]

It still lives.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/u...gtype=Homepage

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Too bad we won the Civil War. Life in the rest of the country without the South would have been awesome today.

[August]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Too bad we won the Civil War. Life in the rest of the country without the South would have been awesome today.

There would not have been a "rest of the country". There would have been more like 40 or 50 countries, pretty much constantly at war with each other. Once the south proved that a state could leave the union, more would have followed. Balkanization would quickly ensue even among the Confederate states who would not want to put up with orders from Richmond any more than they did from Washington. No I think we're better off that the Union was preserved.

[mapuc]

Looks like we are in the univers of counterfactual history

What if the South won the civil war

Can we give a plausible alleged on how the US would have looked today, if the south had won ?

And WWI and WWII ?

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Looks like we are in the univers of counterfactual history

What if the South won the civil war

Can we give a plausible alleged on how the US would have looked today, if the south had won ?

And WWI and WWII ?

Markus

I once read this book which postulates the same thing:


https://www.amazon.com/South-Had-Won.../dp/0312869495


I don't agree with the authors theory. Like I said above a south win will cause the states to Balkanize.

[vienna]

Cyclist who flipped off Trump motorcade wins local office in Virginia --

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/polit...win/index.html

Speaking to CNN's Jeanne Moos in 2017, Briskman contended she's "really not" the bird-flipping type, but still made her feelings toward Trump clear.


"Health care doesn't pass, but you try to dismantle it from the inside," she said. "Five hundred people get shot in Las Vegas; you're doing nothing about it. You know, white supremacists have this big march and hurt a bunch of people down in Charlottesville and you call them good people."


"My finger said what I was feeling," Briskman said at the time. "I'm angry and I'm frustrated."

Remember The Cyclist Who Flipped Off Trump’s Motorcade? She Just Won A Virginia Election. --

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/juli-...b08b735d616c7e


The voters speak...







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[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by vienna

The voters speak...

<O>

As it should be.


Unfortunately I know of two states that were attempting to prevent that from happening. Then there is the potential lack of meaningful protection against unwarranted disclosure of tax information. Stalin would be proud, and Putin? Well Putin is still having a good laugh.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by vienna

Cyclist who flipped off Trump motorcade wins local office in Virginia --

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/polit...win/index.html





Remember The Cyclist Who Flipped Off Trump’s Motorcade? She Just Won A Virginia Election. --

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/juli-...b08b735d616c7e


The voters speak...







<O>

She was elected to supervisor of her district. Hardly a spot to take on the administration in DC. Only made front page because she flipped off a Trump motorcade. Hope she has fun getting flipped off by those in her district that don't care for her.

[vienna]

Maybe, but she'll probably be in office longer than Trump...






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[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by vienna

Maybe, but she'll probably be in office longer than Trump...






<O>

Trump may be impeached. Removed, I would say not.