US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by Canonicus

Woop dee doo! I'll take the punishment!

BTW.. seen the Fox News poll? Your boys in real trouble now.
Or will you call them "fake news" too?

Well I warned you and now so have the moderators. I would advise you heed their advice.



As for Trump we'll see. I've been listening to shrill prognostications of Trumps imminent doom for three years now by the Trump haters, almost always people I already don't much like, and surprise!, they ain't been right yet so you will forgive me if I don't share your confidence in his chances for a perp walk any time soon.

Thing is I didn't vote for him in 2016 but you can darn sure bet that I will vote for him this time, and not because of his political platforms, but because it will stick it to people who I increasingly loathe. People who I increasingly believe want to turn my country into another communist crap hole.

What else can one make of the non stop Liberal rhetoric that America was founded by evil men and has no right to control her own borders? That our constitution is outdated and our rights and liberties need to be restricted and our property confiscated when it serves the all powerful state? That an entire race of people are inherently racist, not for any actual deed or belief, but just because of the color of their skin. Either madness or evil or both but it needs to be stopped.

There is indeed a lot not to like about Donald Trump but to me his one saving grace is that he is not one of them, not controlled by them. Maybe he is motivated by selfish reasons but I don't care. The more they hate him the more I want him in there sticking it to them you dig?

I just hope that you don't think if the liberals are eventually successful in deposing him that everything will suddenly become the socialist paradise they dream of. They have started a civil war which is still cold at the moment but I increasingly believe will become more bloody than the last one was before it finally ends and I don't think it will end with a united group of states.

[mapuc]

Almost everyone has his or her opinion when it comes to President Trump

What I see as the most important in this is not to point fingers at each other, but to respect your opponent

Just my 10 cent

Markus

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Neuerburg

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...normandy-video


I will note that having watched the video myself Trump is citing some source without giving any details so I'd take it with a gain of salt. Now for the president to back stab the Kurd's who have done much of the grunt work in the fight against ISIS and then to say "Well they didn't help us in a war that happened 70-something years ago so who really cares what happens to them now" is disgusting and outrageous. I won't be surprised if nations like Jordan start to break their ties with the US.

Someone on the local radio made the comment, using Trump's 'Normandy' rationale (if anything he does has a rationale or is rational), the US should immediately cutoff all aid and support for, say, Saudi Arabia and Israel since they didn't help at Normandy, either...







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[Buddahaid]

You're applying logic and it doesn't work that way anymore.

[vienna]

As I said, neither rationale nor rational...


Maybe if we got a viewpoint from people who actually do the job and who don't have bone spurs:


Military Leaders Fear They've Seen This Before. It Ended in the Iraq War. --

https://www.yahoo.com/news/military-...185048509.html










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[Méo]

Originally Posted by vienna

Someone on the local radio made the comment, using Trump's 'Normandy' rationale (if anything he does has a rationale or is rational), the US should immediately cutoff all aid and support for, say, Saudi Arabia and Israel since they didn't help at Normandy, either...

Not only that, but more importantly South Korea who was not really on US side during WWII...

[Onkel Neal]

Look, don't like Trump? Fine. Think he's a bad leader, a scam artist? Sure, ok. Think his supporters are bonkers. Ok, but remember not to slur or attack people here--frame your argument with facts and overpower your opponent with reason and logic. In other words, don't act like Trump to counter Trump supporters.

[Mr Quatro]

Just think only (12) months and (3) weeks left to go

Wouldn't it be nice if the news media came unglued and started beating each other up

[vienna]

Actually, it looks like Trump is coming unglued: he's flailing like a drowning man and babbling like the loon he is...

...and as far as "beating each other up", looks like Trump is taking the lead there too, blaming anyone and everyone, but himself, for his own incompetence and idiocy; its one thing to start blaming others, like Rick Perry, for his disastrous Ukraine call scandal, but when he tried to throw Pence under the bus by suggesting the media look into the VP's Ukraine dealings, well, if I were a Trump minion, I'd be sorely tempted to question Trump's loyalty to the minions and the need for loyalty to Trump...

The Trump White House is coming apart at the seams and is sliding off its always very shaky foundations. If you're looking for "beating up", the decline of the Trump administration seems poised to provide plenty of black eyes and split lips...

...and the media will just look on and gleefully report the round-by-round play-by-play...



...oh, and as far as "only (12) months and (3) weeks left to go", well, that impeachment/resignation approaching in the rear view mirror may be closer than you and the Trumpettes may think it appears...




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[Hawk66]

@August: concerning your fear of "communist hole crap"

The gini coefficient
https://www.census.gov/library/visua...ome--1967.html

is continuously on the rise the last decades, which is a KPI in science of inequality.
Your country is now on a similar level of inequality like Russia.
In the same time the US has one the highest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita.
That simply does not fit together.

I really do not understand why it is so tough to understand that this is one of the big roots for the political issues in your country.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Hawk66

The gini coefficient
https://www.census.gov/library/visua...ome--1967.html

is continuously on the rise the last decades, which is a KPI in science of inequality.
Your country is now on a similar level of inequality like Russia.

That report from the link quoted is from 2015.

The Census Bureau released the 2018 Income and Poverty in the United States report. The news is good.

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/art...od_103941.html

When income and employment go up, and poverty goes down, that’s unalloyed good. The Gini coefficient is more complicated. It mainly fluctuates based on how financial markets are doing, because top earners depend largely on investments, and those are more volatile than the salaries that underpin middle-class incomes.

However, 2018 worked for everyone. The economy did well, all the real measures of economic well-being were improved, and the Gini coefficient went down. More money, more equality. But you wouldn’t know it from the headlines.

[August]

Originally Posted by Hawk66

Your country is now on a similar level of inequality like Russia.

The Democrats claim to want to fix that problem by basically turning the country into the next USSR or Red China. All powerful centralized government control, endless wars, limited rights, spying on citizens, a political class that is immune to the laws the rest of us peasants have to abide by. Sound familiar?

I really do not understand why it is so tough to understand that this is one of the big roots for the political issues in your country.

Why is it a problem now but not when the Democrats were in office last? I'll tell you why I think that is. It's because it's mainly a political issue made up by the Democrats in order to create social division. What right does the government have to mandate what a private company pays it's employees? What firearms I possess, what I am allowed to say or increasingly think?

[em2nought]

I think Trump came along too late, and I've waited too long to escape. The deep state and their partners are too powerful. We will eventually become a $#!# hole worse than Venezuela, and democrats will finally be happy.

[mapuc]

A few days ago I saw an episode of a documentary called Book of Secrets

This time it was Secret Service who was being investigated on how they work and so on.

In this program they interviewet former member of this organization, who have promised to give their life for the elected President of USA.

Threats attempted assassin and other things is almost what they have to deal with on daily basis

All this you already know.

What I didn't knew and was a surprise, ´cause I was, by reading comments here and on FB, convinced Trump was the most hated President.

It was Obama. He have received most threats as President.
Most of them from white power groups etc.

Markus

[Skybird]

Obama was seen as a threat to paint the White House black, so no surprise.