US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Have some technical impeachment questions

An impeachment is what I understand almost like an ordinary trial were the accused get a verdict.

An accused can get guilty or not guilty

If Trump is impeached he is accused for having broken some federal law or laws.

Here's my questions

1. If Trump is found not guilty- What happens thereafter, does he go back and continue his job as the elected President ?
2. If Trump is found guilty as charged - What happens thereafter, who take over as the President ? Is it the Vice President or someone else.
(I can tell you that I have among many comments on danish news pages read stuff like- "It would be good if Trump could be removed so the Dem could take over the White House again")

Markus

Not guilty Trump continues in the position.
Guilty: removed from office. Pence takes over.
Dems can attempt to take the White House back in 2020 at election time.

Trump will not be impeached. The senate will not pass it.

[mapuc]

^ Thank you.

The last answer was given-It's only through an election the Dem can take back the White House. The other option is not an alternative, so I will not think about it.

Markus

[Dowly]

House impeaches, Senate convicts or acquits.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by u crank

This is an opinion that you and others have. And if it is true then let's proceed to the next step. Right now Pelosi, who has the say here on whether to move ahead with an impeachment has not done so. Ask yourself why.

You better dont try to make it appear as if she has doubts in the justfication of the impeachment attempt. She just looks at the senate, remembers that Conway just said that no matter what he will stop any impeachment there,

and knows that even if the evidence found woulkd be overwhleming, Repiblican senators will ignore it and put their own career and election chances at home above state reaosn and jutsifce and the liability of Trump. Conway indicated - grinning like a mean pig, if I may say so - clearly that he doe snot care for any evidence against trump. He may be a criminal, but he is the Republican's cirminal adn that is what seems to count for most Republican senators.



As I explained, the whole impeachment mechanism is seriously flawed, and with the constellation of powers there are right now in the senate, it is simply: rigged.

[Skybird]

"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I've done before!)." - Donald Trump on Twitter.

Wowh. I expect any day now to see him walking over water. Thats the choice of words of megalomaniac people with very severe psychic problems who wrap a blue cape around their neck and jump out of windows, thinking that they can fly like Superman.

Or words of little boys who never grew beyond the age of 8. Washington should build buildings and monuments in honour of the big Führer, you know, like they do in North Korea and the likes: plazas, alleys, parade boulevards...

A sick mind, offering a sickening sight.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

and knows that even if the evidence found woulkd be overwhleming, Repiblican senators will ignore it and put their own career and election chances at home above state reaosn and jutsifce and the liability of Trump. Conway indicated - grinning like a mean pig, if I may say so - clearly that he doe snot care for any evidence against trump. He may be a criminal, but he is the Republican's cirminal adn that is what seems to count for most Republican senators.

And we believe that if clear evidence emerged of Trumps total innocence in any subject that you and the Democrats would ignore it for much the same reasons. Whether you would be grinning like a "mean pig" while you did it is immaterial.
I know Europe does it different where your chief executive is just an appointed party clerk but in our case the US President is elected by the people through the 50 states. It should take the people to remove him in all but the most egregious circumstances which your fake whistleblowers and bullshine conspiracy theories simply do not qualify.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

And we believe that if clear evidence emerged of Trumps total innocence

And more denial of what happens right now right before your eyes. Trump is right: like he claimed in his great and unmatched wisdom (tm), he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue - and his followers still would loyally defend him.

Those whistleblowers indeed have all reason to fear for their lives. Enough followers who heard what Trump indicated to them, have weapons en masse.

For the record, I am no sympathiser of the Democratic party. Not. At. All. As I see it, you have a radical left-leaning socialist party, and a radical right-winged racist-nationalistic party in the US. And I dispise both and side with none of the two. There is no lesser evil in these two. Just two evils. Quite profane a choice between the two: choose none.

[MaDef]

1. If Trump is found not guilty- What happens thereafter, does he go back and continue his job as the elected President ?

Yes, just as president Andrew Johnson, and President Bill Clinton both did following their impeachment trials.

2. If Trump is found guilty as charged - What happens thereafter, who take over as the President ? Is it the Vice President or someone else.

He will go to jail, and the Vice president will become President and the speaker of the house will then become vice president.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by MaDef

He will go to jail,..

Congress does not have the power to put anyone in jail.

Conviction in the Senate results only in removal from office. Following conviction, the Senate may vote to further punish the individual by barring him or her from holding future federal office, elected or appointed.

After conviction by the Senate, "the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law" in the regular federal or state courts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac...squalification

There is also the possibility that the new President would pardon the convicted President as Ford did when Nixon resigned.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And more denial of what happens right now right before your eyes. Trump is right: like he claimed in his great and unmatched wisdom (tm), he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue - and his followers still would loyally defend him.

Uh huh. I'd say that the over the top violent rhetoric like yours and the democrats constantly being thrown at Trump every day since he got elected is far more likely to cause violence than the rather old Trump quote you are forced to repeatedly use because you have nothing else.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by u crank

Congress does not have the power to put anyone in jail.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac...squalification

There is also the possibility that the new President would pardon the convicted President as Ford did when Nixon resigned.

(going little off topic )
I Can see it's a little different in USA.

Here in Denmark one of our former Minister Erik Ninn Hansen was impeached

From Danish wiki and translated through google translate.
By a parliamentary resolution of 11 June 1993, the Danish Parliament decided indict Ninn-Hansen for violation of the Ministerial Liability Act

"On June 22, 1995, Ninn-Hansen was found guilty of violating the Ministerial Liability Act with the votes of 15-5.
With the judges votes 12-8, he was sentenced to four months conditional detention with 1 year probation."

Markus
(End of going little off topic)

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

Uh huh. I'd say that the over the top violent rhetoric like yours and the democrats constantly being thrown at Trump every day since he got elected is far more likely to cause violence than the rather old Trump quote you are forced to repeatedly use because you have nothing else.

Trump is as much the victim as were the Germans the victim when the Polish army was attacking Germany across the border back in autumn 1939.

[mapuc]

I try to get a feeling of the mentality of the American voters by reading some of the post and a little of the rest.

And what our Journalist tells us the viewer here in Denmark and/or Sweden.

I can't say if the voters are beginning to get tired of this ongoing impeachments attempt by the Dem.

I'm pretty sure in the end it will backfire and may cost them dearly in the next election.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Trump is as much the victim as were the Germans the victim when the Polish army was attacking Germany across the border back in autumn 1939.

Again with the nazi comparisons. Have you no shame Skybird?

[Skybird]

Somebody who defends the shamelessness and brutality of Trump should not dare to speak about shame as if he knew what the term means.