US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I am sure that will bring out the conspiracy nutters.

Lol, excellent preemption. So, there can be NO suspicion of foul play? Anyone who has doubts is a nutter, open and shut?

On CNN right now they are discussing the powerful people who will benefit from his "suicide"...

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I was right

Well it's no conspiracy that he managed to hang himself in spite of supposedly being under 24/7 suicide watch.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

Any actual facts contained in the video that you care to dispute or is your entire argument going to be that you don't like the source? Hmmm?

Republicans themselves have acknowledged the existence of a 'southern strategy' number of times over the years.

Is this Vanderbilt University professor wrong? Is she lying?

Yes and yes.

[August]

[QUOTE=Dowly;2622322]Republicans themselves have acknowledged the existence of a 'southern strategy' number of times over the years.[quote]


So your answer is yes then.

Yes and yes.

I see. So do you think she was paid to betray her race? Or maybe she is just a dupe of white supremacist propaganda?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

So your answer is yes then.

The video concludes that the 'southern strategy' is a myth. That is demonstrably false.
The three points she talks about are all correct, but presented in a misleading way.
Classic case of mixing truth with lies.

I see. So do you think she was paid to betray her race? Or maybe she is just a dupe of white supremacist propaganda?

Paying black woman to talk about subject such as this lends it credibility.
"It must be true. Why would she say something like that, herself being black, if it wasnt?"
Or as you put it: "betray her race"

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The video concludes that the 'southern strategy' is a myth. That is demonstrably false.
The three points she talks about are all correct, but presented in a misleading way.
Classic case of mixing truth with lies.

Paying black woman to talk about subject such as this lends it credibility.
"It must be true. Why would she say something like that, herself being black, if it wasnt?"
Or as you put it: "betray her race"

Hey it's your side that plays racial identity politics, i'm just trying to speak your language. Try reading the videos comments. She is called a sell out and worse because she bucks the party line for black people.

As to being misleading the time line problems with the theory are quite clear. Heck the Dems leading presidential candidate was just recently bragging about his ability to work with segregationist Democrat Senators over a decade later.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Lol, excellent preemption. So, there can be NO suspicion of foul play? Anyone who has doubts is a nutter, open and shut?

On CNN right now they are discussing the powerful people who will benefit from his "suicide"...

There should a tiny thing called evidence.


But people do love their conspiracies, especially if it confirms biases.

[Onkel Neal]

Sure, but is it unusual to look for evidence and gather evidence based on reasonable suspicion? The investigative process is a progression of activities and steps moving from evidence gathering tasks, to information analysis, to theory development and validation, to forming reasonable ground to believe, and finally to the arrest and charge of a suspect.

Or, just straight to nuttiness?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I agree a Chinese authoritarian government could quite easily rally the masses and party faithful to stop buying iphone's. But what happens when they boycott Apple? We still have quivers too. Almost a year ago there was talk that if the tariff wars really heat up APPLE could move manufacturing elsewhere. What does that mean for the worker in China? They lose their jobs, they dont have money to spend to support their own economy, to buy Chinese goods or support their families. China is primarily a foreign investor manufacturing hub and an export driven economy. They lose that and the feces will really hit the rotating oscillator then.


If they sold off or stopped buying treasury bonds that would hurt. But if they did, they would in essence be shooting themselves in the foot too. Read a little why they buy them to begin with. No matter how many times they pinned the Yuan their economy would take a nose dive and hard. Granted no easy ride for either of us I think if they did that.

Take note of this passage in nthe linked text:

But not only US companies could be the target of a Chinese attack. "Even the Chinese holdings of US bonds are part of the arsenal," says Andrew Bosomworth, Germany CEO of Pimco, the largest bond investor in the world. Because China owns more than $ 1.1 trillion worth of US promissory notes, making it the country's largest foreign creditor.

A sell-off would plummet the stock market and, in turn, dramatically increase yields, that is interest rates, while Trump currently desires nothing more than a drop in US interest rates to support the economy and ensure its re-election , So far, everyone has always assumed that China would not take this step because it would hurt itself as well - its currency could come under appreciation pressure. But Andrew Bosomworth is not sure anymore. "Selling the bonds would hurt China itself," he says, "but even more so for the US." And that's what war ultimately is all about: it's not about avoiding your own losses; Losses are lower than those of the opponent.

I have wanre do fntis in postiongs already severla years ago. They can more eaisly affor dhgiher losses, than thew US. And they will accept it if that is what needed to win the war with the US.



They have just started to retaliate a bit more serious. The US is more vulnerable in this.



And you overestimate the need of theirs to prouce for US. The Huawei confrontation has just pushed them to beocme independent from US compoanies rgardign certain chips and the Android OS. You showed them that they want to become stronger. And they are already in the middle of a move to focus much stronger on Asian market and labor market, than on producing for US hich tech companies.




Your grab on them is loosing. Rapidly. And there is nothing you can do abot that.



Maybe you have also noted that since two or three quarters central banks throughout the world buy real gold like crazym before it was just Russia, India and China. You may think the dollar is your best weapon. I say it is the most tasty target for sinking your boat. And they will try that once they see fit. No matter their own losses. Mark my words. Russia and China are acting since years to unlink from the dollar regime, and maybe the whole idea of paper counterfeit money.

[August]

Hey Dorothy, it doesn't help your racial justice crusade to use a petty criminal thug as your poster boy.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/opini...own/index.html

[Mr Quatro]

This thought process on why did Epstein do himself in before the trial does not compute.

He had nothing to lose to wait till after the trial ... a man with unlimited funds could buy protection, food, comfortable cell and even sex.

Dark secrets did Epstein in ... who knew more than the women themselves besides Epstein and of course his customers.

Someone with very high connections ordered this suicide to hide their involvement. It could even be a very high executive in the Federal Government trying to protect an old boss.

Someone looked the other way just hours after Epstein was taken off of suicide watch.

Don't you just love mysteries and try to figure them out?

I do

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

As to being misleading the time line problems with the theory are quite clear.

1928, 1952 and 1956 were all landslide victories, doesn't say much more than the winning candidate was very popular in general, or in case of Hoover, the losing candidate was very unpopular. She just kinda forgets to mention those pesky details. Or that Little Rock was in 1957, a year after the election. See what I mean by misleading and false information?
If she's right, why mislead and lie?

[August]

Winning candidate? Did you even listen to it? She was talking about Senators, Congressman, Governors, city councils, Sheriffs. All the local governments that were, and remained, in Democrat hands for far longer than what jibes with the theory of a GoP takeover of those states.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by August

Hey Dorothy, it doesn't help your racial justice crusade to use a petty criminal thug as your poster boy.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/opini...own/index.html

You got that right. That opinion piece is racist garbage itself, she sure doesn't address the racism Michael Brown displayed when he used physical violence against that older, much smaller minority store owner.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

You got that right. That opinion piece is racist garbage itself, she sure doesn't address the racism Michael Brown displayed when he used physical violence against that older, much smaller minority store owner.

Those fellas clearly work too hard, their assets need to be redistributed to the community they serve. "Donating" $80,000 in liquor and cigarettes is not enough!