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Old 01-05-16, 12:22 AM   #691
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As to the friends of Iran - Iraq de facto has Iranian shia proxy government. So Iraq is split between Iran and Saudi influences in sunni/shia areas.

In general - in the open, all out war SA has the advantage of technical superiority systems wise. Thus Iran would probably rearm before initiating the war.
As such rearmament would be hard to in the next few years, in my opinion, Iran would not initiate the war, but SA may, especially if it secures Pakistanian support (including nukes on lease).
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Old 01-05-16, 04:51 AM   #692
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Seems the Saudi-Arabian did plan this very well, a lot of other befriended countries have cut their relations to Iran as well.

So the beheading has been sanctioned, in a way.




(stole this from Botonov, sorry but this fits so well )


Also, the west has outfitted Saudi-Arabia with a lot of up-to-date military equipment. Germany alone delivers 800 Leopard 2 tanks.
Of course we know tanks are a purely defensive weapon.
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Not the first time the west supports dictators, to get its hands on resources..


Maybe the US should not have removed Saddam. The Iraq population would be in a much better state, no civil war, no bombed-out infrastructure abd no DAESH, and some counterpart to the Saudis.
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Old 01-07-16, 06:40 PM   #693
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Blair told Gaddafi to 'step aside', phone records show

...Gaddafi said his forces did not inflict violence on ordinary Libyan people and that the protests were an attempt by armed Islamic extremists to "control the Mediterranean... and then attack Europe".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35253750

Over to Oberon.

I will read more of this tomorrow.

Update - phone transcripts were interesting to a point but I am not digging any deeper into this one.
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Old 01-08-16, 09:38 AM   #694
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I was wondering if these (add suitable expletive here) had reached the lowest levels of depravity, then came across this...

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An Islamic State militant carried out a public "execution" of his mother because she asked him to leave the group, activists say.
Ali Saqr, 21, killed his mother, Lena al-Qasem, 45, outside the post office in Raqqa, Syria, eyewitnesses said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35260475
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Old 01-08-16, 10:04 AM   #695
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^Well when a hell-fire drone missile finally gets him, he'll only get 71 virgins in paradise!... just to prevent an incestuous jihadi screwup!<http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5
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I was wondering if these (add suitable expletive here) had reached the lowest levels of depravity, then came across this...
Looks like the SS has finally found it's equal...
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Looks like the SS has finally found it's equal...
And some more...
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At least the SS cared about their mothers.
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Old 01-08-16, 12:56 PM   #699
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At least the SS cared about their mothers.
Both Nazi Germany and the following East-German regime knew fanatic younglings who sold their families to the authorities if they were regime-critical.
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It is the old conflict of loyalties problem. Is one more loyal to the country than to his fammily? Does the loyalty to one's religion come above all else? In civil wars, in wars of religion brother kills brother and sons execute their mothers (and vice versa). This is why they are so horrible in the first place.
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A 30-year-old who pledged allegiance to Islamic State fired 11 shots at the officer in an "attempted assassination", police say.
http://news.sky.com/story/1619383/ph...is-sympathiser

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Attackers arrive by sea before opening fire at a tourist hotel in the Red Sea resort of Hurghada.
http://news.sky.com/story/1619406/gu...n-beach-resort

Looks like another bloody year not to look forward to.
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I could be wrong

What if this "fake" attack on this French police station was nothing more than a "test" and we will see a lot more of these "test" before a real combine terror attack will happen against French police stations.

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I was wondering if these (add suitable expletive here) had reached the lowest levels of depravity, then came across this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35260475
Well it's already in the bible, Jesus tells his followers to
1st give up or even kill your parents, then follow him.
2nd no one with a half pound of minced meat in his head would take that literally, at least today.

Of course, this is all in the old (unforgiving) testament .. and there is also a lot of worse stuff.
The old testament is older, than Islam.

I think the problem is, that people do not live long enough.
As long as people are young and dumb, they believe everything some unscrupulous teacher tells them, and they follow and wreak havoc.
When they have gathered some knowledge, and expericence, they are not longer seen "fit" for for military duty or senseless slaughtering (in other words they don't buy this bull anymore they are being told)
Getting old, no one listens to them anyway, especially not the young and dumb.
Then they die, and the young and dumb repeat all the mistakes.

There is no collective consciousness. Politicians, dictators and a'holes of all kinds like DAESH love to exploit that.
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Old 01-08-16, 06:08 PM   #705
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Well it's already in the bible, Jesus tells his followers to
1st give up or even kill your parents, then follow him.
2nd no one with a half pound of minced meat in his head takes that literally, at least today.

Of course, this is all in the old (unforgiving) testament .. and a lot worse.
Hold up a mo, Jesus in the Old Testament?
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