US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Rockstar]

So he could not exonerate the president of obstruction, Hmmm? Hey, wait a minute I got a great idea! Lets start another investigation to investigate the former investigator for abatement of the law! What a hoot that'll be huh?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

If he could not exonerate the president of obstruction why didn't he prosecute the case against him?

Because indicting a sitting president is a minefield?


The White House will get the Mueller report before the public does in case it wants to make redactions, Barr says

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said Tuesday that Attorney General William Barr told him he would send the special counsel Robert Mueller's final report on the Russia investigation to the White House before the public sees it, in case it wants to claim executive privilege over any parts.

[Rockstar]

In case you haven't noticed no charges have been filed against the president including obstruction. People just want to see with their own eyes the whole report because in their mind surely Mueller must have screwed up and missed something.


As we have pointed out not everything can be disclosed. I know that and fully expect such things to be carried out But the irrational masses, the brainwashed simple minded Neanderthals cant leave it alone and will believe the redactions as a conspiracy, cover up, lies and deceitfulness of the Trump campaign. They will take to the airwaves and internet with more accusations of what-ifs, maybes and could have beens. Even though after close to two years of investigating any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;. Nothing of any consequence was found. But rest assured leave it to the internet crusaders to keep the faith.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

As we have pointed out not everything can be disclosed. I know that and fully expect such things to be carried out

Yes, and that would be done by the relevant agencies to protect other on-going investigations, methods used, sources etc. Not by the White House. This will do nothing more than raise more doubts about a president who continues to act guilty as hell every step of the way.

[Rockstar]

Why cant the white house protect it interests? Did you ever think INNOCENT people who make up that thing called the White House have a RIGHT to keep private their personal information, business, itinerary, finances, history? That somethings may need to be redacted in order to protect their interests? Oh ya that's right like I just explained for some it can only be viewed as a conspiracy, lies, deceit etc etc. They just cant seem to acknowledge the fact that Mueller did not find evidence of collusion or obstruction to press charges. So in their feeble brainwashed little minds it must have been a mistake and if the White House wants to protect certain information its a cover up. jesus what a screwed up world

[Skybird]

And wo decides what information says that soembody is innocent? In prticniple I agree with you, Roc kstar, the probke m is the potlicla situation is so bogged down that there are no trustworthy peple in place anymore. And certainly not Barr.



Also, doing in poltics is voluntarily swimming in the shark pool. You have no right to complain if you get bitten and have to show naked skin. Its not as if they got thrown by force into the pool, against their will. They are not "ordinary people", but higly priviliged top rank holders in the food chain. The common good justifies to control and monitor them with extraordinary scrutiny.



Dont like it? Stay out of it, do not become a politician or activist. Cant stand the heat? Stay out of the kitchen.

[mapuc]

I was also awaiting this Mueller Report.

Not in the case itself, ´cause this is an all American problem and it's only the American people who can…..(forgot the words)

I'm merely interested in what common people, for or against Trump have to say about this. I find this a lot more interesting.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And wo decides what information says that soembody is innocent? In prticniple I agree with you, Roc kstar, the probke m is the potlicla situation is so bogged down that there are no trustworthy peple in place anymore. And certainly not Barr.



Also, doing in poltics is voluntarily swimming in the shark pool. You have no right to complain if you get bitten and have to show naked skin. Its not as if they got thrown by force into the pool, against their will. They are not "ordinary people", but higly priviliged top rank holders in the food chain. The common good justifies to control and monitor them with extraordinary scrutiny.



Dont like it? Stay out of it, do not become a politician or activist. Cant stand the heat? Stay out of the kitchen.

I still hold to the belief that people are innocent until proven guilty. I also believe people have a right to protect their privacy and government organizations and offices have a right to protect information they deem classified. Even executive privilege "the right of the President and high-level executive branch officers to withhold information from Congress, the courts, and ultimately the public." Let the sane minds here not forget ALL of that information which may be redacted has already been discovered by Mueller, hell he wrote the damn report, its old news. The Mueller investigation is officially over indictments have been handed down, people have been charged and convicted. Except of course the one everybody was lead to believe guilty even before the investigation started. But all that's left is for the politicians, kooks and nut cases to take to the internet and airwaves with more conspiracy theories and cover-up stories, there's money to be made and elections to win!

[vienna]

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[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Did you ever think INNOCENT people who make up that thing called the White House have a RIGHT to keep private their personal information, business, itinerary, finances, history?

That would be the DOJ's job as I understand it. I'm sure you have laws that prevent personal information of people not related to an investigation from being published in documents.


Here's Barr saying he won't allow White House to review the report, dated this January:
Trump's lawyers want to review and edit Mueller's report before it's out. William Barr said there's no way he'll allow that.

Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's lead defense lawyer, told INSIDER last year that the White House wants to review and edit the special counsel Robert Mueller's report on Russian election interference before it's released to the public.

On Tuesday, William Barr, Trump's nominee for attorney general, told lawmakers there's no way he'll approve that.

When Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy asked Barr if he would allow Trump's team to "correct" the report, Barr responded: "That will not happen."

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I still hold to the belief that people are innocent until proven guilty. I also believe people have a right to protect their privacy and government organizations and offices have a right to protect information they deem classified.!

I do not share your trust in the decider'S integrity or your trust into the state's offices, institutions.

Not at all.

I do not call states for no reason the most malicous manifestation of organisedd crime. I do not differentiate between states and mafia syndiactews anymore, its both the same. They both even share the same self-understanding.

I am time and again stunned by - and never understood - epsecially american'S generla trust in their state and formal institutions. As a European in egneral and a German in special I find it most naive, if not reality-denying. To rally around a leader just because he is called a leader and has claim, is against my DNA and my principels of reason and mental sanity.

The mere fact that somebody voluntarily went into politics, maybe even craved for it, in my book speaks against him and rings all alarm bells.

In Hayek's words: "In government, the scum raises to the top."


Not just the US. I am thinking like this about EVERY state, including Germany. Wiut szuper-national institutions like the UN or the eU it gets even worse. They playground the criminal can use for playing and hiding, is even bigger, and so the crimes gain in size and severity as well.


"Vertrauen ist gut - Kontrolle ist besser." And I do not believe in the general good in man anymore. I believe in some goodness is a few men.

[Rockstar]

oops I forgot late night comedians

[vienna]

"Many a true word is spoken in jest"...


Or...


"Jesters do oft prove prophets."

--King Lear; Act 5, Scene 3...









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[Rockstar]

Just call me old fashion I guess

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dowly

That would be the DOJ's job as I understand it. I'm sure you have laws that prevent personal information of people not related to an investigation from being published in documents.


Here's Barr saying he won't allow White House to review the report, dated this January:
Trump's lawyers want to review and edit Mueller's report before it's out. William Barr said there's no way he'll allow that.

The article also stated "But Barr left the door open for Trump's lawyers to object to the report's release based on claims of executive privilege". If there is a case for executive privilege then let the A.G. hear it.