UK Politics Thread

[Catfish]

^ Only my opinion, i do not understand enough of UK-internal politics for a "real" assessment.

Imho apart from the SNP and patriotism, it certainly makes sense for Scotland to stay in the UK union, much more than Ireland. Because unlike Scotland, Ireland exports a lot more to the EU than to the UK.

In the long run Scotland will have to come to grips which its own economy, it will not be always able to rely on England. Of course Scotland does not like to be led by the nose, and it does not like to be so dependent on financial help; so the only possibility in the long run is to try to get its own economy rolling. This will be hard though, without being a member of the EU anymore. Imho it is a bit of a vicious circle, they really need to break that somehow – maybe not by leaving the UK, but..

Really, why has a member of the UK to leave the EU, if the people of a that UK's country do not want that? What is the reason for that? As far as i see it Wales is the only country which wants to follow England on its brexit course.

Regarding England (UK?) rejoining the EU, well if the latter gets over the brexit and starts some urgently needed reforms, it may even come out of it stronger. "Die Geister, die ich rief.."


OT just having been to Italy there is a very strong pro-european feeling, and this is not only because of the celebration this month. There is a lot of scientific exchange (was really overwhelmed by the EU help for archeological teamwork), business connections, and a general positive attitude. It has been a long time since i was in Scotland, but i really would like if it remained a member.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Really, why has a member of the UK to leave the EU, if the people of a that UK's country do not want that? What is the reason for that? As far as i see it Wales is the only country which wants to follow England on its brexit course.

That's because the UK is a unitary state with devolution. The UK parliament at Westminster is the government of the UK whilst the administrations at Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh are in reality oversized local councils. They don't have anywhere near the power of the German Lander or the US States.

The anomaly comes from the fact that the UK started as a Union between England and Scotland in 1707, then (the whole of) Ireland joined later in 1801. Wales is a principality of England by right of conquest and was fully absorbed administratively and legally into the English system during the reign of the Plantagenets. It was only split off for administrative purposes in the late 1960's. Scotland and Ireland retained their own legal and religious systems on joining with England - there was no adoption of the English systems as that would have been resisted by the local elites, both secular and religious.

Sad but true that the majority of the UK population, regardless of where they come from, have no real grasp of what their country actually is and how it's made up.

Mike.

[MGR1]

Martin McGuinness has died at 66 due to illness:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39185899

Some will mourn, others will not.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thet...-minister.html

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Martin McGuinness has died at 66 due to illness:

Some will mourn, others will not.

Truer words you couldn't post.

I know many on each side of the fence.

[Jimbuna]

Is it just me .... or does Nicola Sturgeon's mother look like she's going to belt out Candle in the wind. . .

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MGR1

That's because the UK is a unitary state with devolution. The UK parliament at Westminster is the government of the UK whilst the administrations at Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh are in reality oversized local councils.

So Wales, Scotland and Ireland are not independent countries?
Ok i know they are only bounded to the Union by being a UK member, but what does that mean exactly? Wales connected to England during the Plantagenets (after military annexation, or is this too blunt?), but how about the other two?
Why can't they remain in the UK and be a member of the EU as well, independently? Time for changing the constitution?

[STEED]

OK today's PMQ's scorecard..

May 3 Corbyn 2

Well old JC came close this week and at one point he was going to win. He deflected the same old PM May's out of date cannon balls and used comments from her own backbenchers against her. But PM May came off the ropes and punched back but those punches were not her normal hard hitting ones.

[Jimbuna]

Far more important matters at Parliament right now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-39355505

[STEED]

George Galloway announces bid to be Manchester MP
The firebrand politician wants to win the "mother of all victories" against Labour in a seat it has held for more than 80 years.

http://news.sky.com/story/george-gal...er-mp-10809619

Wonder if this would split the labour vote.

As for a victory for GG well that would be a long shot.

[Jimbuna]

Good grief!!

I consider neither of them electable

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Good grief!!

I consider neither of them electable

I do not know this person or what they stand for in English politics, I can however tell you that some of the voters see these politicians as a good choice.

Markus

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Good grief!!

I consider neither of them electable

Yea but GG makes a great pussy..

[Jimbuna]

^ Some weird kind of foreplay

[Jimbuna]

And not before time!!

Parliament's ethics watchdog is to review its guidance on MPs' second jobs in the wake of George Osborne's appointment as the editor of the London Evening Standard.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39379102

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

^ Some weird kind of foreplay

Celeb Big Brother at its kinkiness.