US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 304

Schroeder · 04-11-18, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I agree 100%

Another thing is that Russia/Assad are always blamed instantly, yet a week later everyone are still talking about how it is important to get to the area to examine what gas was used and who used it.

Same with the whole Skripal mess. We've already pointed fingers at Moscow and expelled dozens of diplomats without solid prove being displayed. Makes me wonder if there is an agenda... I just hope we are still the "good guys" because I'm not so sure anymore.

Skybird · 04-11-18, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Okay, I'll take the bait. What's with the huge grin?

EDIT: Ha, beat you by nine minutes

When I started typing the other one, you still were not here.

Skybird · 04-11-18, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Same with the whole Skripal mess. We've already pointed fingers at Moscow and expelled dozens of diplomats without solid prove being displayed. Makes me wonder if there is an agenda... I just hope we are still the "good guys" because I'm not so sure anymore.

Nobody is the good guy anymore, not them, not us. We all are cynics when it comes to the lives and interests of others - as long as we must not pay their toll.

The real question is whether we really are that certain about our interests and why we do this and do not do that. I think in this regard Russia and Assad trump us clearly, even if we do not like their interests. But it is at least crystal clear for themselves what their interests are. In case of Europe and Washington I am not convinced of that. We just appeal to them that they should not have these but should instead have our interests. Which is a hopeless strategy in diplomacy with a strong. The way the Americans handle the Kurdish YPG before and after Erdoghan's attack also does not help to raise trust into the West in the resisting sides to Assad.

I stick to what I say since long time. We should stay out of Syrian game playing, and focus instead on containing - and getting rid of in NATO - Turkey. Also, assisting Israel (where they want that).

Catfish · 04-11-18, 01:58 PM

With Syriah, Russia will get one or more bases from his good friend Assad, and then has direct access to the Mediterranean without needing the Bosporus with Nato partner Turkey controlling it.

edit: i might as well add that if you join a war, you should be willing to win it. A strike here and a strike there is not what makes you 'win'.
Any strategy at all would already be a a good idea, because the west obviously has none.

Rockstar · 04-11-18, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I just hope we are still the "good guys" because I'm not so sure anymore.

I don't think there are any good guys and bad guys when it comes to NATO and Russian in the middle east.

FYI, from the Moon of Alabama blog

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Syria - Timelines Of 'Gas Attacks' Follow A Similar Scheme (Update II)

An alleged new 'chemical incident' in Syria reminds of a similar series of events we saw last year. We are told to believe that each time the U.S. pulls back from the war on Syria the Syrian government is responding with a 'chemical attack' that pulls the U.S. back in.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04...ar-scheme.html

Platapus · 04-12-18, 02:32 PM

I am afraid that Trump remembers what happened to Bush Jr.'s approval ratings once Bush became a "wartime president".

August · 04-12-18, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I am afraid that Trump remembers what happened to Bush Jr.'s approval ratings once Bush became a "wartime president.

It seems that some people spend a lot of time being afraid about things Trump hasn't done.

Buddahaid · 04-12-18, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by August

It seems that some people spend a lot of time being afraid about things Trump hasn't done.

Shouldn't we all be? C'mon, the guy seems to always start by going off half cocked and I find it far from soothing to have a demonstratibly loose canon for a president.

Aktungbby · 04-12-18, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Shouldn't we all be? C'mon, the guy seems to always start by going off half cocked...

WELL

....STORMY DANIELS DIDN'T MENTION ANTHING ABOUT THAT!

August · 04-12-18, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Shouldn't we all be? C'mon, the guy seems to always start by going off half cocked and I find it far from soothing to have a demonstratibly loose canon for a president.

Maybe it just seems that way because the liberal media keeps making wild accusations against him.

Catfish · 04-13-18, 01:34 AM

Yes, maybe the "liberal media" and "leftists" and "snowflakes" are responsible for Trump.
Then they better be prepared next time to not let such things happen, and fight instantly and decisive instead of talking and taking "discussions" with certain people serious

Highbury · 04-13-18, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Maybe it just seems that way because the liberal media keeps making wild accusations against him.

Even without watching the "liberal media" and only watching his speeches, interviews and reading his tweets it still very much seems that way.

Dowly · 04-13-18, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Highbury

Even without watching the "liberal media" and only watching his speeches, interviews and reading his tweets it still very much seems that way.

Exactly.

Onkel Neal · 04-13-18, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Yes, maybe the "liberal media" and "leftists" and "snowflakes" are responsible for Trump.
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Oh, they are. Without them, I doubt Trump would have lasted through the first primary. I see Trump as a reaction to the ever-softening of US culture by liberals. It's probably a lost cause, though.

Dowly · 04-13-18, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Donaldo Trumpo

James Comey is a proven LEAKER & LIAR. Virtually everyone in Washington thought he should be fired for the terrible job he did-until he was, in fact, fired. He leaked CLASSIFIED information, for which he should be prosecuted. He lied to Congress under OATH. He is a weak and.....

....untruthful slime ball who was, as time has proven, a terrible Director of the FBI. His handling of the Crooked Hillary Clinton case, and the events surrounding it, will go down as one of the worst “botch jobs” of history. It was my great honor to fire James Comey!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...63579210633216
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...67560494313472

Someone give him a Snickers.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,913 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	With Syriah, Russia will get one or more bases from his good friend Assad, and then has direct access to the Mediterranean without needing the Bosporus with Nato partner Turkey controlling it. edit: i might as well add that if you join a war, you should be willing to win it. A strike here and a strike there is not what makes you 'win'. Any strategy at all would already be a a good idea, because the west obviously has none. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 04-11-18 at 03:39 PM.*

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,990 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I am afraid that Trump remembers what happened to Bush Jr.'s approval ratings once Bush became a "wartime president". __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,913 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Yes, maybe the "liberal media" and "leftists" and "snowflakes" are responsible for Trump. Then they better be prepared next time to not let such things happen, and fight instantly and decisive instead of talking and taking "discussions" with certain people serious __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.