UK Politics Thread - Page 288

STEED · 06-15-15, 01:57 PM

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Protests in London on Saturday

So we can can look forward to a news ban again.

STEED · 06-15-15, 02:03 PM

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Labour won't get a look in again until the election after next.

Too me it comes back to what I said, Labour will only get back in when the country gets bored with the Tories. That or they make everyone's life even more a living hell.

BTW: I agree about 2020 a write off for Labour as it stands, best chance a Hung Parliament and that depends on the grass root level. Keep a eye on the council/county council election results 2016/19.

MGR1 · 06-17-15, 07:16 AM

Interesting essay by Professor John Curtice on IPPR.org:

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A defeat to reckon with: On Scotland, economic competence, and the complexities of Labour’s losses

http://www.ippr.org/juncture/a-defea...labours-losses

Mike.

XabbaRus · 06-17-15, 10:36 AM

Fir Kin SNP and their supporters getting their knickers in a twist on the voting down of the amendment to 1A of the Scotland bill...They accuse the rest of spin but hell SNP are up there with them..

Also could someone please do something about the Rev. Stuart Campbell.

Oberon · 06-17-15, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

So we can can look forward to a news ban again.

RussiaToday will probably do a live streaming report on it.

ExFishermanBob · 06-17-15, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Fir Kin SNP and their supporters getting their knickers in a twist on the voting down of the amendment to 1A of the Scotland bill...They accuse the rest of spin but hell SNP are up there with them..

Also could someone please do something about the Rev. Stuart Campbell.

Would that be the bit that Cameron promised? You know, the permanence of the parliament?

MGR1 · 06-17-15, 12:18 PM

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Also could someone please do something about the Rev. Stuart Campbell.

Ah, yes, the "Wings Over Scotland" website impresario.

I wonder if any of his neighbours in Somerset realise what he's up to?

Anyone want to tell them?

As an aside, I haven't seen much evidence of the Pro-SNP crowd in General Topics since the referendum?

Mike.

gemelis · 06-17-15, 01:14 PM

I had it with uk politics and uk and moved to France.You will never change the system.

VOTE WITH YOUR FEET

XabbaRus · 06-17-15, 03:54 PM

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Would that be the bit that Cameron promised? You know, the permanence of the parliament?

And it is. The amendment the SNP wanted was to require a referendum should Westminster want to dissolve it. However the amendment in legal terms is pointless because should any Westminster government want to dissolve it, they'd just royal the referendum amendment and them dissolve the Scottish parliament. Not that any would as it would be political suicide and there would be rioting. I'm afraid this is just another stick for the SNP to breast the other parties over the head with, especially the Tories. To do what the SNP proposed would require a new constitution where Holyrood isn't subordinate to Westminster which it currently is. Also about full fiscal autonomy. The SNP and their friends won't admit it to your have but as things stand they have got their cake and eaten it. Significant tax raising powers but still a safety net. Under FFA they would not have it.

ExFishermanBob · 06-18-15, 01:16 AM

Ah, so it was related to the one that Cameron promised to put into law, then. I guessed it would end up as "SNP BAD!" rather then "Cameron fails to follow through".

The same 'not binding' also applies to the proposed law to ensure fiscal responsibility but that isn't stopping it being put in place. Strange that.

BossMark · 06-18-15, 01:43 PM

Boris Tells Taxi Driver: '******* Off And Die'

http://news.sky.com/story/1504125/bo...-f-off-and-die

Not just a nasty Tory bastard, but foul mouthed nasty evil Tory bastard

And this thing wants to PM one day god help ii that ever happened

XabbaRus · 06-18-15, 01:48 PM

I didn't say it wasn't related.
The permanency of the Scottish Parliament is in the Scotland Bill, just because an amendment requiring a referendum should a Westminster government ever decided to dissolve it does not stop that.

Do you really think that it will be dissolved? Before now it could have been done but it hasn't? Ever thought why? Because it would cause absolute havoc. I'm afraid the SNP are trying to have their cake and eat it. They are in the position where they can paint anything where they don't get what they want as the evil Tories being obstructive. Do they really think that they will just get whatever they want. I'm no friend of the Tories, what Maggie did in Scotland with the poll tax was despicable, however that was repealed and replaced. Unlike the miners whose pits were closed, (I apologise for Bossmark too, I didn't get around to replying to his explanation and how he was personally affected), but the SNP were not too long ago know as Tartan Tories. I wonder why that is? Just that they have been politically astute to occupy the middle ground vacated by Labour. They make a big fuss about this amendment but don't see too much complaining really how FFA didn't go through. I bet Swinney is breathing a sigh of relief. Though I am also sure that if FFA had been granted the SNP would have found some way to twist it to show how the Tories were screwing Scotland by hanging the potential £7.6 billion deficit around Holyrood's neck.

XabbaRus · 06-18-15, 01:50 PM

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Boris Tells Taxi Driver: '******* Off And Die'

http://news.sky.com/story/1504125/bo...-f-off-and-die

Not just a nasty Tory bastard, but foul mouthed nasty evil Tory bastard

And this thing wants to PM one day god help ii that ever happened

Ha ha, yes not too clever. Saying that I think any MP being foul mouthed is a disgrace. Suppose it could have been worse. He could have done a two jags and lamped him.

BossMark · 06-18-15, 01:56 PM

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Ha ha, yes not too clever. Saying that I think any MP being foul mouthed is a disgrace. Suppose it could have been worse. He could have done a two jags and lamped him.

I agree and yes if it had been two jags he probably would have let have right hook or two....

XabbaRus · 06-18-15, 01:59 PM

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I agree and yes if it had been two jags he probably would have let have right hook or two....

I wouldn't want a right hook from him.

06-17-15, 10:36 AM	#4309
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Fir Kin SNP and their supporters getting their knickers in a twist on the voting down of the amendment to 1A of the Scotland bill...They accuse the rest of spin but hell SNP are up there with them.. Also could someone please do something about the Rev. Stuart Campbell. __________________

06-17-15, 01:14 PM	#4313
gemelis Swabbie Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 5 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Had it with uk I had it with uk politics and uk and moved to France.You will never change the system. VOTE WITH YOUR FEET

06-18-15, 01:43 PM	#4316
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Boris Tells Taxi Driver: '*** Off And Die' http://news.sky.com/story/1504125/bo...-f-off-and-die Not just a nasty Tory bastard, but foul mouthed nasty evil Tory bastard And this thing wants to PM one day god help ii that ever happened __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

06-18-15, 01:48 PM	#4317
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I didn't say it wasn't related. The permanency of the Scottish Parliament is in the Scotland Bill, just because an amendment requiring a referendum should a Westminster government ever decided to dissolve it does not stop that. Do you really think that it will be dissolved? Before now it could have been done but it hasn't? Ever thought why? Because it would cause absolute havoc. I'm afraid the SNP are trying to have their cake and eat it. They are in the position where they can paint anything where they don't get what they want as the evil Tories being obstructive. Do they really think that they will just get whatever they want. I'm no friend of the Tories, what Maggie did in Scotland with the poll tax was despicable, however that was repealed and replaced. Unlike the miners whose pits were closed, (I apologise for Bossmark too, I didn't get around to replying to his explanation and how he was personally affected), but the SNP were not too long ago know as Tartan Tories. I wonder why that is? Just that they have been politically astute to occupy the middle ground vacated by Labour. They make a big fuss about this amendment but don't see too much complaining really how FFA didn't go through. I bet Swinney is breathing a sigh of relief. Though I am also sure that if FFA had been granted the SNP would have found some way to twist it to show how the Tories were screwing Scotland by hanging the potential £7.6 billion deficit around Holyrood's neck. __________________

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ExFishermanBob Difficulties Numbing Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: AN19 Posts: 470 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Ah, so it was related to the one that Cameron promised to put into law, then. I guessed it would end up as "SNP BAD!" rather then "Cameron fails to follow through". The same 'not binding' also applies to the proposed law to ensure fiscal responsibility but that isn't stopping it being put in place. Strange that.