US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

All this Trump bashing is hilarious given the fact that no matter what dirt they throw at him the American people still dislike the Democrats more than they do Trump and they can't fix it.

Since early June, when voters in Georgia’s sixth congressional district rubbed yet more salt in their 2016 election wounds, Democratic pols and sages have been pondering why, as Ohio congressman Tim Ryan put it, “our brand is worse than Trump.” That’s a low bar, given the president’s nearly subterranean approval ratings, but so far the Blue party has mostly been turning to an inside-the-box set of policy and political memes: jobs programs, talk of a mutiny against House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and better marketing—or, in Ryan’s words, “branding”—of the Democratic message.


What’s missing from this list is the most important—and most challenging—item of all: solving the liberal “deplorable” problem. The white working class that hoisted Donald Trump to an unexpected victory may not always admire the man, but they know that he doesn’t hate “people like me,” in the pollsters’ common formulation. And they have good reason to think that Democrats, particularly coastal and media types, do hate them: consider Frank Rich’s snide and oft-cited article, “No Sympathy for the Hillbilly.” It’s possible that white working-class voters would back a party filled with people who see them as racists and misogynists, with bad values and worse taste, because they all want to raise taxes on Goldman Sachs executives, but it seems a risky bet.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/ca...les-15313.html

[Rockstar]

more emotional butthurt and drama.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by August

All this Trump bashing is hilarious given the fact that no matter what dirt they throw at him the American people still dislike the Democrats more than they do Trump and they can't fix it.

Yea! August is back from the G20 conference in Germany

How did it go August? It's good to have both sides on here for sure.

[August]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Yea! August is back from the G20 conference in Germany

How did it go August? It's good to have both sides on here for sure.

Oh yeah gotta represent, or is that testify.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

more emotional butthurt and drama.

No kidding. They won the election and they are still whining.

[Platapus]

I am sure we are all reading about Donny Jr's E-mails with Russia.

Let's assume what what is being reported is true

Let's, for a moment ignore the failure to report/lying as that is a different issue.

Was Jr, communicating with Russian nationals, in this context, in violation of a federal law?

I don't care if we did not like it, or if it was a poor decision. I just want to know if there was anything illegal about what he did.

I can't find any federal statutes that address this (other than the concealment and lying). None of the news media is citing any actual laws that Jr might have broken.

Which raises the question that if what he did was not illegal, why did he conceal it?

Whether his contact was legal or illegal is a pretty important issue. And if what he did was illegal, then an actual federal law should be cited.

[August]

Solid proof of collusion with the Russian Government:

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Platapus

No kidding. They won the election and they are still whining.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I am sure we are all reading about Donny Jr's E-mails with Russia.

Let's assume what what is being reported is true

Let's, for a moment ignore the failure to report/lying as that is a different issue.

Was Jr, communicating with Russian nationals, in this context, in violation of a federal law?

I don't care if we did not like it, or if it was a poor decision. I just want to know if there was anything illegal about what he did.

I can't find any federal statutes that address this (other than the concealment and lying). None of the news media is citing any actual laws that Jr might have broken.

Which raises the question that if what he did was not illegal, why did he conceal it?

Whether his contact was legal or illegal is a pretty important issue. And if what he did was illegal, then an actual federal law should be cited.

As a private citizen, Trump Jr. is under no obligation to report foreign contacts. If he truly was "negotiating" with a foreign government, you might charge him under the Logan Act. That's a long shot though, the law is 218 years old and only 1 person has ever been indicted (1803), and the charges were dropped. Besides that, there is some feeling that the law is so vague that it might not be constitutional as it is currently written.

[vienna]

Some views:

Trump administration: There's no evidence of collusion. 12 legal experts: Yes, there is. --

https://www.vox.com/2017/7/11/159522...-2016-election

What Donald Trump Jr. did was wrong and maybe illegal. But it wasn’t treason. --

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-jr-treason-no

These are the laws Donald Trump Jr. might have broken --

https://news.vice.com/story/these-ar...ht-have-broken


A bit of humor about Trump's preparedness for and 'stellar' performance at last week's G20 meeting :








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[vienna]

Regarding Trump Jr. releasing the content of his emails as an act of "transparency", it seems he was 'transparent' only because it was 'apparent' the New York Times had obtained the text of the emails and was about to publish the texts; in fact, the Times actually contacted Junior, told him about the imminent disclosures and asked him for a comment on the texts:

Donald Trump Jr. purposefully scooped the New York Times by publishing his own Russia bombshell emails --

http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...s-email-2017-7

New York Times story triggered the release of Trump Jr. emails --

https://news.google.com/news/search/...a?hl=en&ned=us








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[Skybird]

It should come as no surprise that the accused only reveals what he must. Transparency? I did not believe in that for even just one second.

[Rockstar]

Oh no not the dreaded panel of experts!

I always keep in mind the originator of these stories happens to be the NYT. A company struggling hard to keep their readership.

Now for these questions

Let's assume what is being reported is true.

THAT right there is the problem. IMO what we are witnessing now is no different than the birther idiots and the other group of idiots who proclaimed the former president ad-Dajjal. You would think accusers could have the common courtesy to present atleast one piece of compelling evidence. But no, instead we are inundated with links to Steven Cobert comedy skits and panels of self proclaimed experts throwing darts. Neither prove anything but are filled with 'might haves' and 'maybes' and too be honest a good laugh all intended to sway opinion.

Which raises the question that if what he did was not illegal, why did he conceal it?

That doesnt make any sense. If what he did is not illegal then what is the concern of concealment? Last time I checked everyone in this country including the President of the U.S. has a reasonable expectation of privacy. Somethings are simply none of our business but there are some who really hate that part of our constitution and love to abuse it. In the name of freedom of the press of course.

I heard it said Jr. was corresponding via email with people who might have some dirt on the competition. What I find amusing is the pooring out of accusations and outrage that anyone would do something like that. Surely it must be illegal maybe even treason! But then we read stories from our own media finding this dirt on Jr.'s search for dirt and the public is tuning in to get dirt on Jr. Doing the same thing they're accusing him of. I think thats called hypocrisy.

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

..instead we are inundated with links to Steven Cobert comedy skits and panels of self proclaimed experts throwing darts. Neither prove anything but are filled with 'might haves' and 'maybes' intended to sway opinion.

That's all the Democrats have come up with ever since Trump began his campaign. Wait and see how loud the whining will be when he gets reelected.

Last time I checked everyone in this country including the President of the U.S. has a reasonable expectation of privacy. Somethings are simply none of our business but there are some who really hate that part of our constitution and love to abuse it. In the name of freedom of the press of course.

C'mon you know that the right to privacy only extends to registered Democrats...

[Rockstar]

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