(REL) Historical Torpedo Mod - Page 2

Bubblehead1980 · 08-19-13, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

Yeah, without TMO; it's a personal preference. It's not something that u should worry about just wanted to let u know that it does work with stock except not on the s-boats.

Ah thanks for the feedback.So you have used it with fleet boats I assume.Like the mod? Made you

? I nearly lost sinking a carrier in Dec 41 (Pearl Harbor force on way back home, 600 miles NW of Midway on 12 December) , ended up hitting it with 3 out of 6 fired, forced to g deep, when came back to scope depth at dawn after evading some persistent escorts, carrier was there dead in water listing. moved in to position, multiple failures, carrier even repaired enough to get under way at 6 knots, finally scored few more hits. I ended up firing 20 torpedoes to sink the thing, it was one of those patrols.

c13Garrison · 08-19-13, 09:42 PM

Bubbs, I think I misunderstood your intro. If this addresses All torps and not just the 14, then its what I want.

It addresses damage per topex yield too?

Bubblehead1980 · 08-21-13, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by c13Garrison

Bubbs, I think I misunderstood your intro. If this addresses All torps and not just the 14, then its what I want.

It addresses damage per topex yield too?

Yes, this adjusts all torpedoes.The Mark 14's various issues are modified to be more historically accurate as well as the dates fixed.The Mark 18's various defects are adjusted as well.

I may look into their hitpoints to simulate the torpex yield for a new version.I guess it did not occur to me because I use the Longer sinking times mod for TMO, it adjusts them fine and their effects.Instead of sinking ships by hitpoints, it does so by flooding.Ships sinking in a much more realistic manner. The Mark 14 packs the punch it did with this mod.The others as well.Can tell difference in the Mark 10 and Mark 14's impact and effects, its a great mod.

c13Garrison · 08-21-13, 09:02 PM

I agree. Just took my new boat (still can't change its number grumble grumble) on her first patrol and ran into a Ridiculously escorted convoy off of Luzon. Hit it with two mk 10's in the bow and it didn't slow down. A day later I hit it 3 more times on the other beam before she gave up. I have a hunch 2 functioning 14's would have done her in at the start. Seems like a good mod, I'll have to try other torpedoes though to truly experience the breadth of it.

I think I play with the same basic mods you do.

Admiral Halsey · 08-21-13, 09:11 PM

I have to know. Am I the only one who replaces the Mark 14 with the Mark 10's for their first war patrol out of Pearl?(I never run into anything but single ships around Japan that early in the war.)

c13Garrison · 08-21-13, 09:17 PM

Mm, I only use 10's in Sboats, but then the standard 14's seem to only fail 25% of the time if you work around their weaknesses so they never really frustrated me. Looking forward to seeing how Bubb's changes effect them!

Admiral Halsey · 08-21-13, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by c13Garrison

Mm, I only use 10's in Sboats, but then the standard 14's seem to only fail 25% of the time if you work around their weaknesses so they never really frustrated me. Looking forward to seeing how Bubb's changes effect them!

You ever play with Travellers Mod? Well he made the torpedoes have a failure rate around 50%-70%. This mod has them fail even more until the kinks got worked out.

c13Garrison · 08-21-13, 10:50 PM

No, I havn't tried that yet. TMO/RSRD seems pretty much what I would want, so I'll try to finish a full career there first, then I'll look at some other stuff. ...unless the 1914 mod gets finished first. Big weakness for that mod's potential.

Admiral Halsey · 08-21-13, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by c13Garrison

No, I havn't tried that yet. TMO/RSRD seems pretty much what I would want, so I'll try to finish a full career there first, then I'll look at some other stuff. ...unless the 1914 mod gets finished first. Big weakness for that mod's potential.

I'll say. I doubt i'll visit Subsim for anything other then patches for that mod when it's released.(Well just for the first few months after the release.)

c13Garrison · 08-27-13, 06:17 PM

Bubbs, great mod. Unfortunately, its too good. As long as I have the option to take mk10's, after 3 patrols there's no way I wouldn't take them instead of the 14's. To make your mod truly work, I think skippers should have to spend Renown on the Mk10's, even if its only 50.

It would work tantamount to the Navy frowning upon captains who pass on the "better" 14.

Bubblehead1980 · 08-27-13, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by c13Garrison

Bubbs, great mod. Unfortunately, its too good. As long as I have the option to take mk10's, after 3 patrols there's no way I wouldn't take them instead of the 14's. To make your mod truly work, I think skippers should have to spend Renown on the Mk10's, even if its only 50.

It would work tantamount to the Navy frowning upon captains who pass on the "better" 14.

that's not a bad idea.I did alter my torpedo costs because I found it silly to have pay outrageous amounts of renown for torpedoes so lowered it. When I get a chance I will go back and adjust it. Make Mark 10's cost something.I know in fall of 42 some fleetboats , mainly Fremantle boats went on patrol with Mark 10's due to shortage of Mark 14's. Some skippers were happy since they were more reliable.

c13Garrison · 08-27-13, 07:40 PM

I am ecstatic they are more reliable! After having 3 well set up shots blown due to prematures, I'd have Radar O'Riley trade every homemade cookie and genuine USA sausage we had for a store full of mk 10's. There has to be a game "cost" or the 14's just won't get used.

Bubblehead1980 · 08-27-13, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by c13Garrison

I am ecstatic they are more reliable! After having 3 well set up shots blown due to prematures, I'd have Radar O'Riley trade every homemade cookie and genuine USA sausage we had for a store full of mk 10's. There has to be a game "cost" or the 14's just won't get used.

Well I use the 14's. Maybe if I am patroling out of Fremantle in late summer/fall of 42 Ill take a load of Mark 10's. I will make them cost just as a deterrent.

That is why I made the mod though, to full demonstrate within bounds of the sim what us skippers and crews faced first two years of the war. Countless incidents where various torpedo problems caused major warships and important merchant ships to slip by.I have had carriers and even a battle ship that was a sure kill get by because of faulty torpedoes and often with their high speed and protection, impossible to get a second shot. Much as they did, play is supposed to soildier along, attempt to overcome.It's why I altered the magnetic detonator so its much more random, no dependent on sea state.Sometimes, they will work, get very few if any prematures. I cussed quite a bit when I had the Nagato at 900 yards in my sight, fired 6 Mark 14's, they could not miss.boom, boom, boom, boom four prematures, 6 seconds apart, this alerted the BB and her escorts, was able to zig away, other two just missed her bow.Took a lot of depth charges some close for that.Then, due to their speed, never could regain contact

08-19-13, 09:42 PM	#17
c13Garrison Ensign Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Chicago-ish, USA Posts: 223 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Bubbs, I think I misunderstood your intro. If this addresses All torps and not just the 14, then its what I want. It addresses damage per topex yield too?

08-21-13, 09:02 PM	#19
c13Garrison Ensign Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Chicago-ish, USA Posts: 223 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I agree. Just took my new boat (still can't change its number grumble grumble) on her first patrol and ran into a Ridiculously escorted convoy off of Luzon. Hit it with two mk 10's in the bow and it didn't slow down. A day later I hit it 3 more times on the other beam before she gave up. I have a hunch 2 functioning 14's would have done her in at the start. Seems like a good mod, I'll have to try other torpedoes though to truly experience the breadth of it. I think I play with the same basic mods you do.

08-21-13, 09:11 PM	#20
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 317 Uploads: 0	I have to know. Am I the only one who replaces the Mark 14 with the Mark 10's for their first war patrol out of Pearl?(I never run into anything but single ships around Japan that early in the war.)

08-21-13, 09:17 PM	#21
c13Garrison Ensign Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Chicago-ish, USA Posts: 223 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Mm, I only use 10's in Sboats, but then the standard 14's seem to only fail 25% of the time if you work around their weaknesses so they never really frustrated me. Looking forward to seeing how Bubb's changes effect them!

08-21-13, 10:50 PM	#23
c13Garrison Ensign Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Chicago-ish, USA Posts: 223 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	No, I havn't tried that yet. TMO/RSRD seems pretty much what I would want, so I'll try to finish a full career there first, then I'll look at some other stuff. ...unless the 1914 mod gets finished first. Big weakness for that mod's potential.

08-27-13, 06:17 PM	#25
c13Garrison Ensign Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Chicago-ish, USA Posts: 223 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Bubbs, great mod. Unfortunately, its too good. As long as I have the option to take mk10's, after 3 patrols there's no way I wouldn't take them instead of the 14's. To make your mod truly work, I think skippers should have to spend Renown on the Mk10's, even if its only 50. It would work tantamount to the Navy frowning upon captains who pass on the "better" 14.

08-27-13, 07:40 PM	#27
c13Garrison Ensign Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Chicago-ish, USA Posts: 223 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I am ecstatic they are more reliable! After having 3 well set up shots blown due to prematures, I'd have Radar O'Riley trade every homemade cookie and genuine USA sausage we had for a store full of mk 10's. There has to be a game "cost" or the 14's just won't get used.