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Old 08-12-20, 08:23 AM   #16
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Yep. U-864 sunk by HMS Venturer. February 9 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-864
Ah, yes they were submerged but both were using snorkels/scopes and therefore their surface position was marked.

The British submarine HMS Venturer was sent from the British submarine base at Lerwick. After German radio transmissions regarding U-864 were decrypted, Venturer was rerouted to intercept the U-boat. On 6 February, U-864 passed the Fedje area without being detected, but one of her engines began to misfire and she was ordered to return to Bergen. A signal stated that a new escort would be provided her at Hellisøy on 10 February. She made for there, but on 9 February, Venturer heard U-864's diesel engine noise. Venturer was not using active sonar, (ASDIC), to avoid betraying her position and spotted the U-boat's snorkel.

In an unusually long engagement for a submarine and in a situation for which neither crew had been trained, Venturer waited 45 minutes after making contact before going to action stations, waiting in vain for U-864 to surface and thus present an easier target. Upon realizing they were being followed by the British submarine and that their escort had still not arrived, U-864 began zig-zagging. Each submarine risked raising her periscope. After three hours, Venturer fired all four bow torpedo tubes at the U-boat's predicted position, beginning at 12:12 and at 17 second intervals (taking four minutes[citation needed] to reach their target), then dived suddenly to evade any retaliation from his opponent. U-864 heard the torpedoes coming and also dived deeper and turned away to avoid them, managing to avoid the first three but unknowingly steering into the path of the fourth. Imploding, she split in two, sinking with all hands and coming to rest in over 150 m (490 ft) of water, 2 nmi (3.7 km; 2.3 mi) west of Fedje.[6]

In this movie, both subs were deeper than 20m and neither had a snorkel or scope to use as a reference.

But that U-864 does fit the bill.
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Old 08-12-20, 08:28 AM   #17
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@ Neal: Great review I have to see that
That's what i thought when i read the first hints about the film..
But then you know..
I managed to kill two carrier groups with a Balao in Silent Service II, and i did not even have any training before. Also i only had to reload 12 times or so (the game, not the torpedoes) to achieve that.
Yes, me in Silent Hunter II, near the virtual Azores! Ok i used external view but hey, you have to manage things with the tools at hand..
Yeah, it's worth watching as long as you know it cannot be taken seriously.

You'll learn that when the Dirty Dozen show up to train on the u-boat, they are told they will have 3 weeks to learn, and that is viewed as "impossible!"

 
Then a sneak attack by the enemy cuts that short by 2 1/2 weeks.... but somehow they still manage to operate the sub without sinking it and killing themselves.
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Old 08-12-20, 11:48 AM   #18
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As far as i read U 864 was running surfaced when performing the zig zag course, being observed by the english sub alright.
Only when the english sub had fired its 4 torpedos, U 964 dived to evade at greater depth, but ran into the fourth torpedo. So one can hardly speak of a submerged duel?
There is obviously a fault in some report

Also the U 864 carried the aforementioned parts and plans and mercury, but no uranium or such. This was tried in another boat bound for Japan, with the appropriate hull name of U-234.
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Old 08-13-20, 08:29 AM   #19
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Oh, man, that was EPIC.

The dubbing was just fine, some excellent dubs, no problem there! This is the kind of movie
that should be filmed in non-English and dubbed, it fundamentally demands it.

Opening credits, I knew this was going to be amazing when one of the producers was listed
as "Tax Shelter for the Belgium Government". Classic!
Or this info on short term investments https://promoneysavings.com/best-sho...m-investments/

Someone said this was a hybrid of Inglorious Basterds and U-571, that's really accurate. They
tried to shoehorn in some Das Boot and Hunt for Red October tropes as well, but it didn't make
any sense at all. Don't these filmmakers ever Subsim?

Spoilers: sorry, can't really discuss without, but these are intentionally vague.

So, you can train a small group of guys to manage a submarine with a couple days of bad training?

Another underwater battle between two subs. Hey, in WWII, were any submerged subs
able to torpedo another submerged sub, solely by passive sonar? And I don't mean one was surfaced
and one was at PD, I mean 50m down, no visual bearing, range by sound alone?

Gotta love how the hydrophone operator was so precise, frequently calling out "Torpedo! Range 150 meters!"
I need this guy on my boat in Wolfpack.

So, one things I learned, if you torpedo a submerged U-boat 200m away, the thing explodes like 8 times,
and the shock waves are horrific.

When a woman shoots a rifle and blows up a destroyer, I have to say, women's rights have arrived.

Lots of throwback racist comments, stuff I haven't seen in a movie since the 60s. Of course, it was
appropriate for the time and setting in the film, but I didn't think any modern filmmakers would bring it back.

Summary: If you thought there couldn't be a movie you loved more than U-571, you're mistaken, my friend.

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I cannot share your enthusiasm on this one. Yeah, the movie was good and these two hours were well spent but calling it a new/old classic its a bit exaggerating.

First of all, the movie lacks chemistry. It's like the director did not decide whether it would be a serious bit or the clinky one and therefore the movie balance in the middle without showing its full potential and character.

Secondary, I liked how they how actors handled the script but some performances were too blend and that's why the overall picture seems too uncertain.

I'll give this movie 7 out of 10 just becaye of that

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^ fair enough

I think Neal wrote it with tongue-in-cheek, but as we all he strives for any U-boat/submarine film that pops up from the deep, whatever it's quality

Well i have no idea when or if this ever hits the german cinema/TV/Netflix, but i will sure look out for it..
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They shoulda called this movie PU-239...because it stinks!

Physics jokes. I love 'em!
PU 239 is already a movie and a damn fine one at that.
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I can't be the only one.

The only one thinking, will the ever come another sub related WWII war movie like Das Boot where the creator have thought more on historical, strategy and other things.

There are lots of good sub related action movies.

But a movie as good as and historical correct as Das Boot-will such a movie ever hit the big screen ?

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Well, now I have to see it just to find out - I was sure it would be impossible to make a movie worse than U-571.
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U571 was a godawful movie and this looks even worse,No wonder I watch foreign movie's


Greyhound was just bland,I couldn't care less if they all died, except the black cook I was a bit upset about him dying,Make a movie about PQ 17 not all of us are 17
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I cannot share your enthusiasm on this one. Yeah, the movie was good and these two hours were well spent but calling it a new/old classic its a bit exaggerating.

First of all, the movie lacks chemistry. It's like the director did not decide whether it would be a serious bit or the clinky one and therefore the movie balance in the middle without showing its full potential and character.

Secondary, I liked how they how actors handled the script but some performances were too blend and that's why the overall picture seems too uncertain.

I'll give this movie 7 out of 10 just becaye of that
samlarson! belatedly; please forgive our poor manners. Rising in the midst of this Wolfpack (TM) of skeptics to render a credible first post critique takes cajones! Based on the consensus presented here, and life/time getting shorter these days, I'll skip this flik...
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