The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

The whole thing leaves a lot of questions open. Why would Assad or the Russians use Sarin now? They are winning, so why use a weapon that will most likely trigger an incalculable risk? It just doesn't make sense. Assad has pretty much nothing to gain from that but everything to loose so why would he do that? Wouldn't it be more plausible that one of the losing parties in Syria wants a US intervention and therefore staged the whole thing?
Trump could surely use a military intervention to distract from his so far disastrous presidency...but intervening in Syria for that....I don't think even he would be that stupid after the glorious outcome of Iraq.

First, Assad can feel stroing and safe and thus may coincloude he can do whatever he wants, the West cvannot reach him or will not dare to interfere. After all, he did it before, so did the rebels, and there enver were any serious consequences, just words.

Second, I have no detialed image on my mind regarding the map, but if after the defeat at Aleppo Idlip lies in one of those remainign two or three regions where the rbeels still are poresnet and where the retretaring rebels from Alleppo moved to, the attack may be a sign that Syria now starts to go after the remains of the rebellion. Terrorising the civil population has always been part of this war, in an effort to make logistics and maintaining logistical order as hard as possibole for the enemy. Therefore the bombing of hospitals in Alleppo, maybe therefore the terror attacks against the civilian population in Idlip region. Its about increasing chaos and demoralization. If this works for the wanted effect, we most likely will see more of this, as there already has been more of this in the past years. Assad is not shy regarding doing what he thinks he miust, and Russia is not shy to let him and to protect him.

There are Iranian and Russian troops on the ground. Trumps' advisers hopefully will remind him of that. We should stay out of there, suppoort Jordan massiovely with logistical and fincial aid, and tighten the border to Turkey and the Mediterranean coast. A grim choice, I know. But the only that makes at least a remaining rest of sense to me. We also should stop all remaining support for the rebels. I do not see them winning anymore, and suppoorting them means to prolongue the war. This war is not winnable from POV of Western interest.

We should worry about Russia now setting its sights on Libya, and forming a restrengthening axis with Iran. We should also worry about Israel's detoriating strategic position.

These are all things that should be of far more concern and importance for the Europeans, than for the Americans. But I see neither the serious will, nor the needed means.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

The whole thing leaves a lot of questions open. Why would Assad or the Russians use Sarin now? They are winning, so why use a weapon that will most likely trigger an incalculable risk? It just doesn't make sense. Assad has pretty much nothing to gain from that but everything to loose so why would he do that? Wouldn't it be more plausible that one of the losing parties in Syria wants a US intervention and therefore staged the whole thing?
Trump could surely use a military intervention to distract from his so far disastrous presidency...but intervening in Syria for that....I don't think even he would be that stupid after the glorious outcome of Iraq.

Have heard some more about this issue

What I understand is that the plan(according to the journalist, expert and others) USA and its allied could be planning on creating some safe areas in Syria and USA could punish Syria by attacking its military infrastructure thereby cripple their air defense and their air force and their order of command(forgot the correct millitary words for this)

Markus

Chain of command.

[ikalugin]

The narrative Russian State spins is that:
- it is a horrible act of agression against Syria.
- that it would end the same way Iraq did (in my opinion Kosovo is the better comparison).
- that majority of missiles did not hit their targets, with only 23/59 allegedly hitting their targets.
- that Syrian losses were minimal.
- that we would reinforce Syrian air defense.

Facts that appear to be certain:
- we were warned.
- no Russian losses.
- we conducted a live fire air defense exercise (and other relevant ones) just before the attack occured.
- we would deploy some minor naval assets to Syria (one FFG).

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Skybird

First, Assad can feel strong and safe and thus may conclude he can do whatever he wants, the West cannot reach him or will not dare to interfere. After all, he did it before, so did the rebels, and there never were any serious consequences, just words.

This part Assad surely is rethinking currently. And I could not repeat it again.

[ikalugin]

Depends, that attack may strengthen commitments of his allies (ie Iran) and thus improve his position. We would see.

Cultural enrichment happening in Stockholm, truck vs. crowd.

[Schroeder]

It seems that DAESH has found their new weapon of choice.
Much easier to obtain than explosives.

[mapuc]

Even though we live in a very informal world, no one seems to know exactly how many have lost their life in this terror attack. In the beginning they said 3 dead and 8 wounded, then they changed it to 2 death and several wounded. Latest is from the hospital in Stockholm 15 wounded and one of them died from its wound at the hospital. Now it is either 3 or 4 dead and either 8, 15 or more wounded.

They got the terrorist, he was arrested north of Stockholm.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Four people were killed - 10 remain in hospital, including a child. Two are in intensive care.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39539689

Perspective:


Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39540371

Notice how news cover, reactions and aftermath of these attacks become more sparse, less intense, shorter?

We Europeans start to get used to Muslims killing us. We start to accept it, shrug, and live on - because what can we do anyways against all these happy isolated incidents that have nothing at all to do with Islam?

That's right. Nothing to see here. Move along, keep moving, pay your taxes, Allah is very akbar.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Perspective:


Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39540371

Ah yes, dubious "it's all good!" statistics.
While we got rid of IRA bombings or RAF attacks, the sole terror ruling supreme today is, surprise, Muslim terrorism... (that had nothing to do with Islam, because reasons).
So tired of it.

How exactly are these statistics 'dubious'? Do you have any reason to doubt them?

And as for them all being 'Muslims killing us', I suggest you take a look at the reason for the peak in 2011: a right-wing terrorist supposedly protesting against Islam who chose to do so by murdering Norwegian children.

[Gerald]

Swedish police have confirmed they discovered a suspect device inside the lorry which was driven into a Stockholm department store on Friday.

The device was found in the driver's seat, National Police Commissioner Dan Eliasson said, but it was not known whether it was a bomb.
Mr Eliasson also said the suspect in custody was from Uzbekistan, 39, and known to security services.
The hijacked lorry was driven into Ahlens department store in the capital.
Four people were killed - 10 remain in hospital, including a child. Two are in intensive care.

The truck was driving on Queen Street, which is the most densely populated and this happened Friday 14:53 People flew in the air, killing four people and injuring dozens, then it became paralyzed city with heavy armed police and military.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39539689

https://www.thelocal.se/