US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[u crank]

Interesting. This guy, Alan Dershowitz is a Democrat who voted for Hillary. His take is a little different than most Dems.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/1...heres-no-crime

Although many on the left have expressed their approval of Robert Mueller being appointed as special counsel to investigate possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, Alan Dershowitz thinks Mueller could actually vindicate President Donald Trump, rather than bring about his downfall.

He explained that it would not be criminal, even if it happened, for the Trump campaign to have collaborated with the Russians in an effort to get their candidate elected.

"That's political wrongdoing, but it's just not a crime," Dershowitz said. "Nobody can point me to a statute that would be violated. And a prosecutor is only allowed to look for evidence of a federal crime."

Full segment is worth the watch.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I wonder why that is.

Smart people stay out of politics.

[mapuc]

Do you believe or expect that there could be some political turmoil in the political landscape if Trump is being prosecuted? = Impeaching

Markus

[Buddahaid]

You mean more violent turmoil than the current turmoil we're having? Not really overall but I'm sure there would be some somewhere.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Probably.

What baffles me most is how the whole USA cannot come up with anything better than Trump, Pence, Clinton and the others.
Isn't that weird?
That country has the most elite universities and leads in many ways, yet it can only come up with more or less human waste as presidential candidates?
It's absurd, but of course, observable in other western countries as well. The extend though, seems way more severe.

I wonder why that is.

I can't say I have a clue...well, I have theories, but they're probably wrong.

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I can't say I have a clue...well, I have theories, but they're probably wrong.

Same here.

[Skybird]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ju...rticle/2622466

Until 2013, there were still active lower-court judges who had been appointed by Richard Nixon, and more than a dozen of his appointees continue to hear cases as senior judges to this day. There is still one appointee of President Lyndon Johnson's on active duty, in California. This shows that Trump's judicial legacy will endure long after his less-impressive ways have been long forgotten.


He has done well so far to appoint smart, serious, conservative, text-focused jurists. Whatever they think of his other policies, conservatives are unlikely to abandon Trump as long he keeps filling vacancies on the federal bench with disciplined originalists and textualists who understand that their job is to interpret the law, not make it up. So just as his judges list won Trump the presidency, so it is likely to keep it viable for him with political support he could easily squander otherwise.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Probably.

What baffles me most is how the whole USA cannot come up with anything better than Trump, Pence, Clinton and the others.
Isn't that weird?
That country has the most elite universities and leads in many ways, yet it can only come up with more or less human waste as presidential candidates?
It's absurd, but of course, observable in other western countries as well. The extend though, seems way more severe.

I wonder why that is.

I think George Carlin said best why that is.

"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody:...."

He said it best indeed. God he sure is missed!

[Rockstar]

Jesus H C. Nipplespanner I think we found common ground.

[ikalugin]

What do you guys think about the current sale of arms to Saudi Arabia?

[Onkel Neal]

Don't like it, but then again, I never look favorably on arms sales to any country not named Britain or France.

Originally Posted by ikalugin

What do you guys think about the current sale of arms to Saudi Arabia?

The usual hypocrisy, nothing special.

First, the guy bitches about Muslims, all of them, trying to stop them coming in from some countries - while not from others (pointless) - and then he flies to the Saudi's, THE number one terror financiers since for friggin ever and by the way the power-center of the Muslim world..... and gives them powerful weapons.
But his voters will just talk about jobs, jobs, jobs.

It takes a Trump, for such a stunt.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Probably.

What baffles me most is how the whole USA cannot come up with anything better than Trump, Pence, Clinton and the others.
Isn't that weird?

Can we, in Germany?

The whole system is porked. Garbage goes in, so garbage goes out, and it is like that in any democratic state there is. Why do you think am I so angrily attacking democracy as a whole? Because I am an evil dicatorship-lover? Hardly. What we have today necessarily brings the most unsuited, the most unscrupolous, the most shamelessly lying and cheating to power.

The only surprise is that we have not gotten somebody like Trump much earlier.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

What do you guys think about the current sale of arms to Saudi Arabia?

Shia Persians versus Sunni Arabs, the US thinks it must pick one side. This is about the Iranian-Saudi conflict more than anythign else.

And above all, money.

And then there is Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt.

I want back the cold war. It was better.