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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

@ Skybird

These S-300 have been known by the West and Israel for years so don't you think they have come up with some type of countermeasure or like ?

Markus

And what makes you assuming the Russians did not react to countermeasure designs?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...mpossible.html

Many U.S. defense officials from the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps agree that the Russian missile system effectively renders entire regions no-go zones for conventional jets like the F-16 or Navy F/A-18 Hornet. Currently, only high-end stealth aircraft like the $2.2 billion B-2 Spirit—of which the Air Force has exactly 20—and the high-performance F-22 Raptor can safely operate inside an area protected by the S-300 and its many variants. The Pentagon’s $400 billion F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will eventually be able to operate inside those zones, too. But according to multiple sources within the Pentagon and defense industry, no warplane now operating can remain inside those well-defended areas for long.
A senior U.S. Marine Corps aviator said that if Russia delivers the S-300 missile to Iran, it would fundamentally change U.S. war plans. “A complete game changer for all fourth-gen aircraft [like the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18]. That thing is a beast and you don’t want to get near it,” he said.

And these are not even the latest of Russian AD systems. There is the S-400.

Any air force challenging such systems and not being formed by B-2s or F-22s, must expect significant losses. They maybe would achieve their objectives - but not without significant losses. And the Russians boasted already years ago they possessed the means to refuse stealth fighters their protective hiding cloak. I would not so easily wipe that off the table as boasting so easily. In the end, its all about amounts of energy.

There is this strange tendency in the West to always underestimate Russian equiment, saying it may be sturdy, but techcially not sophisticated. I do not share this attitude.

Also, the stuff they have in Syria this time is operated by well-trained Russian specialists, and they do not run reduced export versions of platforms, but their own line-A grade material.

Let Iraq 1992 and 2003 not deceive you. This match now is in a completely different league.

[eddie]

Erdogan running his big mouth again. This time he tells the Iraq Govt that their troops will not leave Iraq, no matter what Baghdad says.

"ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey can't be excluded from a possible operation to recapture the Iraqi city of Mosul, Turkey's president said Tuesday, telling Iraq's leader to "know his place."

"In a speech delivered in Istanbul, Erdogan also said Turkish troops wouldn't withdraw from a base near Mosul, saying the Turkish army wouldn't take orders from Baghdad. Turkey is training anti-IS fighters to help retake Mosul from the extremist group."

"You are not my interlocutor, you are not at my level, you are not my equivalent, you are not of the same quality as me," Erdogan said, addressing Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi. "Your screaming and shouting in Iraq is of no importance to us. You should know that we will go our own way."

"Turkey's army hasn't lost enough of its quality to take orders from you," Erdogan said in response to Iraqi calls for the troop's withdrawal. "We would do whatever is necessary as we have done until today."

Man, I wish someone would take that pig out!! Leave his brains spattered on the floor!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...ace/ar-BBxibWm

[Jimbuna]

I doubt the Iraqi military would be any match for that of Turkey but the possible scenario of a NATO member coming into conflict with an 'ally' of the west does intrigue me.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I doubt the Iraqi military would be any match for that of Turkey but the possible scenario of a NATO member coming into conflict with an 'ally' of the west does intrigue me.

This conflict already is reality.

Its really important, impo, to get a Kurdish state up and running. As a buffer zone that contains Turkey from all its neighbours in the South.

I call Turkey an enemy of the West. What it does under the cover of and in the name of NATO, oversteps the boundary to treason. And it already fights "allies" of the West, by firepower. In Syria. In Iraq. Plus logistical, intel and financial support for such enemies in other countries.

It damages NATO's credibility that Wahsington and others still accept Turkey to be member of NATO. Turkey is a viper within NATO'S living and sleeping room. And nobody cares, shrugs shoulders, and says "Bosporus" as an excuse. I do not buy that Bosporus argument anymore. The threat by Turkey is much greater than the gains of having diplomatic control (more it is not!) over the Bosporus.

Already 10+ years ago I warned bitterly of Erdoghan, and most people just laughed. Today nobody laughs anymkore. Some more years, and I am certain many people will have come to their minds over this issue as well, and then share my reasoning once again. Erdoghan is a highly destabilizing and very dangerous threat factor to keeping the powederkeg that the ME is under any kind of desperate "control". IMO, he really is mentally ill, a narcissist with religious messiah-syndrome and megalomaniac self-perception, in life revealing the personality of a strict, brutal psychopathic personality structure. What he does to Turkey and how he does it, functionally reminds very strongly of the Nazi movement after it got out of the starting block in Germany. Erdoghan poses in similiar fashion like Hitler did. His argumentation is functionally comparable, his sense of mission, the means by which he takes control and widens his powers.

Its only a question of time until even blue-eyed Washington realise that they have lost control of Erdoghan. And I predict that much of what the West wants to prevent in the ME, will come true nevertheless - because of Erdoghan.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Gotcha - they got him.

And he escaped again. This time for good. He was just found in his cell. Seems he managed to hang himself.


http://www.dw.com/en/media-reports-c...ell/a-36028311

[Skybird]

I hope any information he maybe had on his mind, had been extracted before.

And now some painful questions to the guards.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I hope any information he maybe had on his mind, had been extracted before.

And now some painful questions to the guards.

In that short time? Forget it.
First the police let's that guy escape and now the personnel of the jail can't prevent him from committing suicide. Is anybody in Saxony's law enforcement actually doing their jobs?

[Oberon]

Two more missiles have been launched from rebel held territory in Yemen at the USS Mason in the Red Sea.

[eddie]

I'd suggest that the Mason should increase its distance form the shore. I 'm sure a drone is on station now, hopefully they get a nice clear picture of who is launching the missiles, don't need to hit the wrong target especially after what the Saudi's did !

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by eddie

I'd suggest that the Mason should increase its distance form the shore. I 'm sure a drone is on station now, hopefully they get a nice clear picture of who is launching the missiles, don't need to hit the wrong target especially after what the Saudi's did !

I think they're there because missiles got fired at a UAE ship:



So I guess she's acting as a missile sponge, after all she has SM-2s and RIM-1662s, as well as decoys and countermeasures whereas civilian shipping doesn't. The more that the rebels, or whoever is shooting these missiles, fire then the more likely they are to give away their positions and open themselves up to a drone, missile or naval gun strike.

[eddie]

Well Oberon, that didn't take long. Using Tomahawk cruise missiles, the US Navy attacked 3 coastal radar installations they used to track ships. All 3 were destroyed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...ips/ar-AAiT7zO

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by eddie

Well Oberon, that didn't take long. Using Tomahawk cruise missiles, the US Navy attacked 3 coastal radar installations they used to track ships. All 3 were destroyed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...ips/ar-AAiT7zO

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I think they're there because missiles got fired at a UAE ship:



So I guess she's acting as a missile sponge, after all she has SM-2s and RIM-1662s, as well as decoys and countermeasures whereas civilian shipping doesn't. The more that the rebels, or whoever is shooting these missiles, fire then the more likely they are to give away their positions and open themselves up to a drone, missile or naval gun strike.

Originally Posted by eddie

Well Oberon, that didn't take long. Using Tomahawk cruise missiles, the US Navy attacked 3 coastal radar installations they used to track ships. All 3 were destroyed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...ips/ar-AAiT7zO

Rgr that

[Oberon]

Another news headline about the strike

[mapuc]

When I some days ago heard of the first attack against the American navy I thought its getting very complicated-Those who attacked USA is supported by Iran who also support Assad and (forgot the name of this terror group) who are fighting in Syria and against USA or those USA and its allied is supporting.

Markus