The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Yup... apparently the priest's throat was cut.

Throat cut? Probably the terrorists were Jews, they do this kosher-thingy.

Islam cannot have anything to do with it, many so many people in here have met friendly Muslims, even a reasonable Imam. Wowh, that speaks volumes about Islam. Im stunned by the expertise about the ideological content of Islamic scripture.

The problem is that some people treat "being Muslim" as if it were just a genetic trait like hair colour, size, skin colour, race. But it isn't. It is about the content of an ideology - and whether somebody obeys that content or not. That's what under a regime of reason and logic would define who is Muslim. Ideologically, however, Muslim is who was born with a Muslim father, but that is lazy thinking, its just a claim for possession of the individual. So stop using the term Muslim as if you were talking about for example "the Chinese", "the Blacks". I was baptised when I was a baby and had no say and had no thought about it. Does this mean you should see a Christian in me? Hardly, I am clearly no Christian, a man in fancy clothes spilled water over my head and cast some magical spells, why should I worry, I did not even realise what happened and have no memory of it. If you would refer to me as "that Christian from Germany", it would make no sense.

[Skybird]

France, now confirmed: one hostage dead, two hostages seriously injured and fighting for their lives, both terrorists dead.

French officials say link to IS is "very likely".

[Mittelwaechter]

Shots have been fired - Benjamin Franklin Clinic - Berlin - patient fired on Doctor - wounded - then suicide they say - again.

The classical media can't keep up anymore.

[Catfish]

If the media posted every assasssination and terror act worldwide, they would be stuffed unto the next century already.

Astonishing that all happens over the day, exactly fits into a newspaper/website/blog. Did they even apply the muslim terrorism filter here?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

And what do you think about natives resisting immigration?

Sorry, I was at work, late answer.

It's a natural reaction to be cautious, then flamed up by media (mainstream or otherwise).

Some concerns are legit, terorists smuggling themsleves in via refugees, some bringing with them non-european habits or principles without intentions to integrate, others simply ready to live of the social systems the taxpayer maintaines.

I am a liberal. European level socialist and left wing but I will take a turn for the right when we're dealing with immigrants that will come here for anything else than try to make an honest living.

I do believe that there should be tougher rules for immigrants. One strike and you're out. Missdemenanors, OK, I'm not advocating throwing people out for parking violations but murder, rape, grand theft, sorry, I'll pay for a chance to drive you to the border in summer in my car trunk. I am not going to waste my taxpayer money to see you locked up in a Slovene prison and then be back out in a few years. I don't want to see you ever again and if you're going to to a hellhole spare me the tears, you had a chance and you blew it.
Don't want to follow the law we wrote, you want to install a law system based on a book that's out of date ffor 1500 years, get out of my country.
Don't want to learn our language, there's the port, I don't care if you swim back.
You start protesting that we shouldn't be a secular country, here's a free one way ticket.
If Enver from Albania serving me burek can do all that, so can you.

Multiculturalism only works if there's one dominant culture, the culture of the natives and all others adapt.


Refugees are another matter. Refugee camps should be established, with food, heat, healthcare, maybe help them set up some small economy so the camps are a lesser burdeon for the economy, slowly weed out the troublemakers and send them back, pick out what Europe lacks, doctors engineers, artisans and give them asylums. The rest can wait until the war stops and they can be sent back.
Sounds terrible from a liberal.

Let me tell you why.

Because no matter how left wing I can meditate, I will never, ever, eeeeever believe that midle eastern countries will give us the same courtesy. They'll either close the borders or accept us as a sudden influx of cheap labor. I rather face down the Russians than run to Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Quick death by an AK is prefferable than slow starvation in a Dubai construction site.

[Mittelwaechter]

Catfish

I did a 6 month observation of some major online media presences in D - FAZ/SZ/ZON/WO - maybe four years ago.

During the week all had the exactly same reports - wording - interpretation - often same pictures. Friday afternoon they started to divert and began to concentrate on single topics - each news site ~ three main headlines from the week occurances. They kept it that way over the weekend.
They all showed different headlines and in deep rehash of the major events. Very obviously coordinated and collusive.
For every reader with some time available on the weekend, checking some other news sites to see what they report, the impression was created, the sites were reporting different priorities, but all the important news of course too.

Different scheme with TV news. Both public stations had exactly the same news - often even in identical sequence - day by day. Two independent news desks - the exact same 15 toppics - taken from all over the world. Observed them only 4 weeks.

All shall have the same state of knowledge, all shall have the same general opinion.

They changed it - but I'm pretty sure the new scheme is just more complicated to reveal.

[Mittelwaechter]

Let me add something to the common knowledge:
http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-04-2...lestine-during

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Let me add something to the common knowledge:
http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-04-2...lestine-during

How do I know that site is not part of the controlled media?

[Wamiduku]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Let me add something to the common knowledge:
http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-04-2...lestine-during

How fortunate for the refugees that Syria was still controlled by Vichy France. Under muslim rule, kuffar (unbelievers) would problably have been treated the way the muslim Egyptians treat the christian Copts.

[August]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

For every reader with some time available on the weekend, checking some other news sites to see what they report, the impression was created, the sites were reporting different priorities, but all the important news of course too.

You seem to like giving work to others. Are you sure your name isn't Mr. Barrow?

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by August

You seem to like giving work to others. Are you sure your name isn't Mr. Barrow?

Must be some misundertanding here.

I did this research four years ago. No jobs offered here.

I'm still left over from yesterday - no sleep. Sorry for any confusing expression.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by Dowly

How do I know that site is not part of the controlled media?

Now we are talking!

I remember to have checked some cross references - several camps in Syria, Jordan, Egypt. Afiar - there was some UN data unaccessable.

There is an old Wikipedia site for one of the camps - and I remember some Google books scans from a nurse telling a story about some Yugoslavian kids and mothers in ? Egypt or Palestine maybe.

I am not that bad at researching - I can surely find some of that data again. Tomorrow! OK?

Edit: Oh - and the site itself isn't that perfect resource in my eyes. I was unhappy with their financing and I checked some of their other articles. Not my preferred tone of information, but I kept the link, because the fact of the European refugees in Syria, Palestine, Jordan and Egypt is true.
Not sure about the details of living conditions...

[Skybird]

Shooting incident in the Charité in Lichterfelde has no extremist background.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Because no matter how left wing I can meditate, I will never, ever, eeeeever believe that midle eastern countries will give us the same courtesy.

The “more common knowledge” post above should make you know.

Some of your measures are pretty harsh. All should be granted a second chance I think.
Well - of course not for major crimes. Kill one and you shall have a second chance is obviously stupid.
But for learning and adapting - a shot before the bow - some damages maybe - public work.

Regular immigrants could be instructed properly - by someone speaking their language - and then they should be spread all over the country.
Every little village, every small town, every city should have to accept and adapt to the immigrants too. Fair share and evenly mix of cultures.
No ghettos, no subcultures for them - no second hand experience by news and “I have heared they live like kings” for the natives.

They should have to work - a regular native day. Paint blue boxes green, transport them to A - paint them blue - and transport them back to B - to be repainted green - simple tasks, if necessary.
As long as there is no real jobs available, they are kept busy. “We” could recognize the wood they are.

Immigration is no one way ticket, someone stated in an other posting. German natives recognize an immigrant not by speech or clothing or behaviour - but by physiognomy.
Your parents may have been born in Germany - but if you look like uncle Ali you are a foreigner, an immigrant. No matter if you are a doctor or professoer or astronaut or major.
The natives have to adapt here too, for a successful immigration process.

Refugees should be taken intensly care of - especially health care. In Germany it seems to be a mess.

I like the 1944 Syrian way to make them work . They are kept busy and don't hang around and breed trouble.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Some of your measures are pretty harsh. All should be granted a second chance I think.

Immigrants that are ready to become productive members of society don't need a second chance.
A second chance in life when we allow them in. No second chances in crime.
We don't even give second chances to our own. One murder and you're off to jail (provided the police and courts do their job).