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EU admits it won’t keep Ukraine ammunition promise – media
The bloc has reportedly only delivered around 30% of the total rounds promised. https://www.rt.com/news/587042-eu-uk...nition-target/ EU states rebel against €20 billion Ukraine plan – Reuters Some member states remain skeptical about the multi-billion euro military spending project. https://www.rt.com/news/587039-eu-billions-ukraine-aid/ US sabotaged Ukraine peace plan – NATO member state The Hungarian prime minister blamed Washington for the failure of 2022 Istanbul talks. https://www.rt.com/news/587032-us-ru...e-talks-orban/ Ukraine will fight without US – Zelensky Kiev will only relent after seizing all the territories it claims as its own, president warns. https://www.rt.com/russia/587016-ukr...-usa-zelensky/ As its counteroffensive stalls, Ukraine signals readiness for a long war Amid talk of stalemate, long waits for western weapons and attention diverted to Gaza, experts say the conflict could last into 2025. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...for-a-long-war Ukraine’s Kyiv comes under attack for first time in months, mayor says Strong explosions heard in the capital in first attack on the city since September. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...ths-mayor-says
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11-11-23, 11:52 AM | #1669 |
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Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 310,650 people (+1,130 per day), 5,342 tanks, 7,527 artillery systems, 10,041 armoured vehicles.
Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Russia, Ukrainian defenders liquidated about 310,650 Russian invaders. personnel - about 310650 (+1130) people, tanks - 5342 (+25) units, armored combat vehicles - 10041 (+24) units, artillery systems - 7,527 (+38) units, MLRS - 879 (+2) units, air defense systems - 579 (+1) units, aircraft - 322 (+0) units, helicopters - 324 (+0) units, UAVs of the operational and tactical level - 5620 (+25), cruise missiles - 1559 (+1), ships/boats - 22 (+2) units, submarines - 1 (+0) units, motor vehicles and tankers - 9925 (+49) units, special equipment - 1069 (+9). Source: https://censor.net/en/p3454944
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No Ukrainian victory in sight – EU's Borrell
The bloc should brace itself for a “longer conflict” between Moscow and Kiev, its top diplomat says. https://www.rt.com/news/587073-no-uk...sight-borrell/ Russia has five million Ukrainian refugees – diplomat Over 730,000 of the arrivals are children, most of whom came to the country with their relatives, Vassily Nebenzia has said, adding that a significant number of them were children fleeing the fighting. https://www.rt.com/russia/587068-rus...aine-refugees/ Ukraine not ready to join EU – member state Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban used an old expression to describe a great distance when discussing how close Kiev is to becoming a member. “Ukraine is absolutely not ready to negotiate over its bid for EU membership. Ukraine is as far from EU membership as Mako is from Jerusalem,” he said, using a popular Hungarian idiom. https://www.rt.com/news/586984-hunga...ine-accession/ EU state explains objection to Ukrainian membership It's absurd to consider Kiev's candidacy amid the ongoing conflict, Hungary’s foreign minister has said. https://www.rt.com/news/586871-hunga...eu-membership/
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I stick to what I said about this possibility (Ukraine behind the Nordstream attacks) already over one year ago: if true that Ukraine did it, Germany must immediately cancel all aid and military and financial support, and pull out of any such projects by the Western community. I would not forgive such an underhanded attack while they expect us to deliver them aid and supplies, and at our costs. - Of course,k we all know that the Berlin government would not do this. I talk of what I wouold do in that case if it were my decision. Even worse if Ukraine did it but without Zelensky's knowledge, because that would mean he is not in control of his team. Again, in this case I would want Germany to pull out of everything, no matter what that means for Ukraine's future, i would just not care any longer. You do not strike at a friend who comes to your aid and support. But that is the reason why one has to be absolutely sure when concluding that Ukraine is behind it, because Russia would have had a strong motive in hoping to trigger right this reaction if it was Russia planning this as a false flag operation. The German government keeps the investigation under total and utmost secrecy and under control by the chancellor's office, and does not comment by a single syllable, which I take as an indication that they want to hide from the public unwelcomed findings.
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We do not know for sure who's behind the sabotage of Nord Stream 1&2.
Ok so far the evidence is pointing towards Ukraine. What I ask myself is this: What was the motive behind it ? Can we, when we know the motive, know who did it ? Markus
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Bild: German government plans to provide 8 billion euros in military aid to Ukraine in 2024 Germany's coalition government agreed this week to double the budget for military aid for Ukraine in 2024, Bild reported on Nov. 11, citing information from the German Defense Ministry. While four billion euros ($4.3 billion) was the amount initially allocated for military aid for Ukraine in the draft 2024 budget, the government made the decision to increase that number to eight billion euros ($8.6 billion). The news follows a Bild report on Oct. 22 that according to a confidential Defense Ministry memo, the government had not yet budgeted enough funds to be able to deliver sufficient military aid to Ukraine in 2024. While the Finance Ministry had allocated four billion euros ($4.3 billion) for military support to Ukraine next year, the Defense Ministry had calculated that 3.1 billion euros ($3.3 billion) were already earmarked for projects that had already been announced, according to the German media outlet. Another 770 million euros ($816 million) were to go to the Foreign Ministry's aid programs, leaving just 120 million for new military aid support to Ukraine in 2024. The Defense Ministry was concerned that billions more would be needed in order to meet Ukraine's needs for military support. The decision on the doubling of the funds for Ukraine's military aid will be officially decided on next week by the Budget Committee, Bild said. Germany is the world's second provider of military aid to Ukraine after the United States. https://kyivindependent.com/bild-ger...d-for-ukraine/ Ukrainians pay the highest price for their freedom and our safety in Europe Russia does not fight Ukraine, it fights against the West. The only force in Europe, the only army that has the fighting power in Europe is Ukraine, Ukraine is the best army in Europe no NATO member has this experience no NATO member can fight Russia like Ukraine. When we withdraw support to Ukraine it is a European defeat we then are the losers in Europe this is real this is war that we pay a price is lesser of an offer than Ukraine pays for years.
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They are fighting for our freedom There are voices who demands a stop for military aid-'cause it expand the suffering for the civilians in Ukraine. (Said to one them-the allied should have done the same during WWII. stop fighting the nazis to prevent further suffering for the Danes) Markus
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Technically, attacking even just the ownership-shared econimcal ifnrtatrructure of somebody else with military destructire force, is an act of war in my book. Germany was/is enmgaged with billiosna nd bilions of German tax money in the business conglomerate that constructed and ran NS2, that it is all Russian is just half of the truth only. A two digit billions sum. Ukraine may not have liked it, and maybe I even agree and maybe Germany by now admits and understands that trusting Russia was stupid (who did not tust Russia, on the toher ahnd, in the past 30 years, and forgave them everything and even two or three wars once and again?) - that does not mean you can just go and blow parts of the critical infrastructure up. You may balk, justified or not - but you certainly do not bite the hand you expect to feed you. Germany is now the second biggest military donator after the United States. And, to my best knowledge, different to parts of the American deliveries, the German deliveries are donated - not in parts sold, the ameicna sgave parts of what they sent, on credit. In parts systems like recently another Iris-T get delivered with priority to Ukraine that even still do not go to the Bundeswehr. We have no Iris-T in service - those that were meant to get produced, are now going directly to Ukraine Again: you do not turn against those whom you ask for help, demand you to help, lecture to help you. Actually thats quite simple and obvious.
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Thereby Reisner correctly concludes that from a moral standpoint, if you do not even intend to win the war for Ukraine, and do not do what is needed to win the war, then you should negotiate a deal of any kind because else you just sacrifice the civilians and the industrial foundation of the country, and for nothing. That conclusion then is just logical. Either you fight, or you don't I would prefer the West would have opted for full and determined military support, no limits, no systems a taboo, to make sure Ukraine wins militarily by throwing Russia out early on. But early on Zelensky did not even listen to American warnings that Russia would attack, while Bubble-Olaf and Macronman believed lies Putin told them both face to face less than 48 hours before the attack. Part fo the triuth also is that Eurpople alone, withot the US, does not have the military power to take on Russia. Its about numbers, and availability of numbers. Europe'S military status is a mess. Ukraine has lost the momentum, the Russians forced them to give up where the ukrainians were better: mobile warfare, and to get deadlocked in where russia is able to slowly win the war: trench warfare and war of attrition. Russia can afford its losses (those saying the oppposite still underestimate Russia), Ukraine increasingly cannot. It would have been of ultimate importance to win the war early on, because I predicted last year that in Q3 and Q4 this year the psychological motivation of Western states and especially Westenr publics to continue with supporting ukriane would wane. And that is what happens now, no matter what the government press writes and prints. Ukraine can no longer hope to boost support with Western publics, it cannot even hope to maintain the current level. From here on it lives on battery, and the battery slowly drains, so to speak. The situasiton in America doe snot make it any more promising for them next year. And Russia knows that. They will not give up, just hang on to it, more they must not do. Time is on their side. I know that some do not like to see it this way, but denying reality does not win you wars. Wishful thinking does not do anything for you. Ukraine has not yet lost - but as things now stand, it is slowly loosing. Zalushnji knows that, thats why he raised his voice, as a soldier, in the Economist recently. He said what the West must provide to still throw the rudder around. I just doubt that the West will do it. That is due to Israel-Hamas, and a lot of other egoistic reasons. And Russia will look for other possibilities to distract Western attention further and to redirect Western support from Ukraine elsewhere. You do not win wars by wishful thinking, by denying realities you do not like. I say and imply that since many months.
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