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01-07-17, 10:37 AM | #151 | |
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Can you believe this ... sure you can:https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-say...212438322.html
Obama says Sanders' supporters helped undermine Obamacare Quote:
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01-07-17, 02:25 PM | #152 |
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Let's put aside Russia, the DEMs, the GOP, the Left, the Right, and all that for the moment and let's look at the core: the US has an election system that is vulnerable and open to attack and manipulation from both inside and outside sources. This alone is a very serious matter and really requires very serious attention lest the problems should increase and worsen and whatever integrity the system has and whatever confidence the voting public has in the system is perhaps irrevocably damaged. Leading members of Congress, both House and Senate, both GOP and DEM, who have seen the classified reports and evidence, are calling for expanded hearings into the possibility of election tampering by whoever might have had reason to want to do so and this is not an unreasonable course of action. It is better to have a greater sense of certainty about the integrity how we elect our officials, and the processes used to achieve those ends, than to bicker endlessly and uselessly about petty partisan viewpoints. In the end, it didn't really matter who won the last election; regardless of whichever side won, the end resulting charges of voter fraud, tampering and/or outside influence would have been the same. It seems the only real solution is to do a thorough, comprehensive investigation of this election cycle process(es). Just get down to it, look into it all, find the facts, and, if necessary, formulate and enact suitable remedies. It really is taking more energy and effort to bicker endlessly about the unknown and uncertain than the energy and effort it would require to find the know and certain...
Here's an example of the shoe on the other foot: In the 2016 Presidential Election, Orange County, California had its election results and system challenged. Orange County is the fifth largest voting jurisdiction in the US has been a very steadfast pillar of the GOP in California, particularly the Far Right wing of the party. It is not too much to say Orange is the cornerstone of the CA-GOP. After the votes were tallied' Clinton won with 51.6% percent of the vote versus 42.9% for Trump. It was a very big surprise for a DEM candidate to have won in Orange so decisively, by a margin of 9%, but the real astonishing factor was this was the first time a DEM Presidential candidate had won in Orange since 1936, the first time in 80 years. After the results were posted, the CA-GOP went into a frenzy, leveling charges of voting irregularities, saying the DEMs had won due to unqualified DEM voters on the voter rolls and they insisted on an investigation. However, there was one major flaw to their charges: before the election, the voter rolls had been scrubbed to remove dead voters still listed as well as voters who had moved out of the jurisdiction; the County Registrar of Voters had gone so far as to purchase data from outside databases such as credit reporting services in order to more completely assure the accuracy of the scrub. The Registrar went to these extraordinary means mainly at the behest and bellicose insistence of (wait for it): the CA-GOP. In fact, the Registrar, Neal Kelly, is so highly held in esteem by his peers, he has won national honors for his efforts to ensure clean accurate elections in his county... What we need is a definitive investigation that produces definitive answers, leading to definitive solutions. If some partisan political feelings are hurt or if some partisan political images are tarnished, then, so be it. The integrity of the election process election is too important to worry about the political impression of "de-legitimizing" some candidate or party. The US voting public deserves answers and solutions, not petty partisanship bickering going nowhere and solving nothing. Do it now, do it right, and do it fast... <O>
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01-07-17, 02:29 PM | #153 |
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01-07-17, 02:43 PM | #154 |
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Nah, Bernie wouldn't have stood a chance even if the DNC hadn't have hindered him. A socialist President? In America? You'd stand more of a chance seeing the Ayatollah in the White House, or Putin himself!
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01-07-17, 02:55 PM | #155 |
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I love it,, when you tell criminals to investigate themselves.. Things won't get better till you start holding people to account,,.. I guess it was too little too late to flood this country with undocumented democrats they still lost over 1000 governmental seats since 2010,, the Russians aren't that good,, if the dems keep going the the way they have it will be a one party system thanks for the laughs.
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01-07-17, 02:57 PM | #156 |
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So then in reality what the USA intelligence agencies are doing is blaming the Russian intelligence agencies for performing mind control on the voting citizen's of the United States of America.
Shame on them
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01-07-17, 02:58 PM | #157 | |
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Some polls say if Trump would have ran in 2012 he would have beat Obama.. |
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01-07-17, 02:58 PM | #158 |
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01-07-17, 04:24 PM | #159 | |
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Both parties play the same childish games, Sadly it seems to work
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01-07-17, 05:06 PM | #160 |
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I can only imagine the uproar, if Hillary had won the elections, and the russian electoral influence would have shown up.
With Trump being president it seems to not matter at all.
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01-07-17, 05:18 PM | #161 |
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I doubt that. Obama wasn't already disliked like Clinton. He was young, somewhat unknown and therefore didn't have all her negative baggage. Without that working for him I doubt that Trump would have looked like the better alternative.
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01-08-17, 01:52 AM | #162 | |
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01-08-17, 03:07 AM | #163 |
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Nope, not saying investigate Russia. I say thoroughly investigate the hacking and the DNC, both. If the thorough investigation of the hacking leads to Russia, then so be it; if it doesn't, then we will find out who did the illegally hacking and deal with who ever it was; either way, at least we will have an answer. Really, I don't understand Trump, the GOP supporters of Trump, and Russia's objection to even a reasonably in-depth investigation. If the investigation is done and it is proven there was no Russian involvement, then Trump and Russia can play the "I told you so!" card and do their own little "superior dance" (Church Lady reference), basking in their triumph, while watching those who called for the investigation in the first place slip into an obscurity of public embarrassment and humiliation. Trump, the GOP, and Russia could only stand to gain if the investigation turns up nothing...
However, there is the old saw about they who "doth protest too much, methinks": Why, given all they could really gain from an investigatory acquittal, do they so strenuously object? It is elementary crime detection to very much suspect the motives of a suspect who does not want an investigation into their activities. Trump, the GOP, and Russia should be confident and say "Bring it on!!" and then sit back and wait for acquittal, and live high on an easy victory; but, they aren't doing anything close; instead, they behave like crooks who don't want the inspector to execute the search warrant. They rail and rant against the idea of an investigation and seem almost extremely furtive in their actions, you know, like a guilty person. What are they so desperate to hide?... You can take the above and substitute "DNC" for "Trump, GOP, and Russia"; it is really all the same: they should both be investigated, there should be an accounting of facts, and based on the findings, whatever action, legally or administratively, is deemed necessary, should be taken. I there is nothing hiding in the darkness, then there no need to fear turning on the lights... <O>
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01-08-17, 07:14 AM | #164 | |
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You can't prove innocense hence why the presumtion of innocense exists.
The problem people have with the current investigation is that it appears to be driven by a political agenda - to de-legitimize Trump and to slander Russia. Quote:
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01-08-17, 09:42 AM | #165 | |
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