2016 US Presidential election thread - Page 105

Oberon · 03-26-16, 03:38 PM

That has been a thought of mine Platapus, and if you put automatic rifles into the equation then the amount of lead in the air increases expectationally.

I guess the Republican Convention will just have to put their faith in their attendees having good trigger discipline.

Mr Quatro · 03-26-16, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

If I were a bad guy and I knew that the group had a good expectation of being attended by people carrying concealed weapons, all I would do is get some firecrackers with a delay/long fuse. All I would have to do is just start the chain reaction. The good guys would handle the rest.

I hope the bad guys don't read this ...

the results of a long string of fire crackers would be very very bad

Plus say good-by to being POTUS if anything happens at the GOP convention which is a week before the democrats convention by the way.

Platapus · 03-26-16, 04:29 PM

Imagine an event where there are only "good guys with guns". It just takes one GGWG to think there is a BGWG (via firecracker or even the popping of a bottle of bubbly!)

He pulls his weapon and the other GGWGs think he is a BGWG and pull their weapons. The first GGWG now thinks he is facing multiple BGWGs and opens fire.

By definition, this guy now becomes a legitimate BGWG and is an legitimate target. Unfortunately, this hapless GGWG (now BGWG) still thinks he is a GGWG and that the other GGWGs are the BGWGs.

It would make a funny sketch in a comedy movie.. But real life is DID.

While attending conventions, don't be the one who drops the metal tray.

Or be the one standing net to the one who drops the tray!

GT182 · 03-26-16, 04:57 PM

Tell me one thing. How does Cruz think he's eligible to run for POTUS? He was born in Canada and is not a Natural Born US citizen. Maybe he holds dual citizenship but that does not make him Natural Born.

Oberon · 03-26-16, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

While attending conventions, don't be the one who drops the metal tray.

Or be the one standing net to the one who drops the tray!

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Originally Posted by GT182

Tell me one thing. How does Cruz think he's eligible to run for POTUS? He was born in Canada and is not a Natural Born US citizen. Maybe he holds dual citizenship but that does not make him Natural Born.

Has Trump asked for Cruz's birth certificate yet?

Sailor Steve · 03-26-16, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GT182

Tell me one thing. How does Cruz think he's eligible to run for POTUS? He was born in Canada and is not a Natural Born US citizen. Maybe he holds dual citizenship but that does not make him Natural Born.

The discussions are still ongoing concerning that challenge, specifically concerning the citizenship of the parents. One of Cruz's parents, his mother, is a U.S. citizen and never changed that status. Cruz himself renounced his Canadian citizenship in favor of U.S. citizenship in 2014. Several legal scholars agree that he is not a U.S. citizen, while several others are agreed that he is. The only way for it to be resolved is if he becomes his party's nominee, in which case it would have to be decided in court. If not, then it doesn't matter.

Cruz is not the only candidate to have his citizenship challenged. Besides the obvious recent challenge to Barack Obama, others whose citizenship has been questioned over the years are Chester A. Arthur, Barry Goldwater, George Romney and John McCain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natura...citizen_clause

Torplexed · 03-26-16, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GT182

Tell me one thing. How does Cruz think he's eligible to run for POTUS? He was born in Canada and is not a Natural Born US citizen. Maybe he holds dual citizenship but that does not make him Natural Born.

I was born in Fukuoka, Japan to US parents, and I've always been considered a natural born US citizen. Maybe if Trump muddies the water enough I'll become unnatural...or supernatural.

Oberon · 03-26-16, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

I was born in Fukuoka, Japan to US parents, and I've always been considered a natural born US citizen. Maybe if Trump muddies the water enough I'll become unnatural...or supernatural.

It's a Jap!

Into the camp with you!!

Torplexed · 03-26-16, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

It's a Jap!

Engrishman, terr me the rocation of yoah head-quatah! Ah, I see you suppry I speak Engrish so werr.

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Into the camp with you!

Given the atmosphere here, it's possible.

mapuc · 03-26-16, 06:02 PM

(Little off topic)

I don't care where a person is coming from

I only care for how he or she trat me and other people.

Markus

(End of off topic)

Torplexed · 03-26-16, 06:08 PM

Look like Bernie is clobbering Hillary here and in Alaska today. I knew Washington would be a slam-dunk for Bernie.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politi...es-highlights/

August · 03-26-16, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

The good guys would handle the rest.

I'm sorry Platapus but i've heard this OK Corral argument before and there seems to be little or nothing of substance to back it up. It's just unproven supposition based apparently upon the concept that we shouldn't be allowed any freedom or personal responsibility because we can't be trusted with it. Such an opinion is at complete odds with the very concept of our nation.

For one thing just because people are carrying a weapon it doesn't mean that they are going to suddenly turn into Dirty Harry, drawing and sweeping the crowd with it just because they hear some firecracker pops off in the distance. They are going to do what every other civilian is going to do and that's duck if it's loud enough and then look around to see whats happening first. They'll probably not draw their weapon at all because they'll see that a. the incident is over and b. the presence of a million cops and other convention security.

On the other hand if a bunch of Jihadis were to swarm into the hall tossing hand grenades and shooting automatic weapons then i'd think few cops or other armed citizens are going have a problem with a guy who is shooting in the same direction that they are, and they won't really care if he has a badge showing or not.

Mr Quatro · 03-26-16, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GT182

Tell me one thing. How does Cruz think he's eligible to run for POTUS? He was born in Canada and is not a Natural Born US citizen. Maybe he holds dual citizenship but that does not make him Natural Born.

Ted Cruz won't be the GOP's choice anyway and if he was lucky enough to win the nomination six (6) states have contested his being eligible to be the POTUS.

but he is able to take enough votes from Donald Trump that a contested convention is possible and from what I hear the delegates can then vote for whomever they want to, thus the right to bear arms will then come into play

Bernie is winning Alaska and Washington? Wow!

He only needs 720 more delegates

http://www.politico.com/2016-electio...-count-tracker

Torplexed · 03-26-16, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Bernie is winning Alaska and Washington? Wow!

He only needs 720 more delegates

http://www.politico.com/2016-electio...-count-tracker

Bernie's bar is certainly higher when the party officials are considered. He needs to win more than 67 percent of the remaining delegates overall, from primaries, caucuses and the ranks of uncommitted superdelegates to prevail.

But there's little question that Sanders has tapped into a powerful frustration within the Democratic party. Even with the long odds, he continues to attract tens of thousands to his rallies and has collected more than $140 million from two million donors.

vienna · 03-26-16, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

I was born in Fukuoka, Japan to US parents, and I've always been considered a natural born US citizen. Maybe if Trump muddies the water enough I'll become unnatural...or supernatural.

... or Trump will just summarily deport you...

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

Engrishman, terr me the rocation of yoah head-quatah! Ah, I see you suppry I speak Engrish so werr. ...

Ah, you are of the Sessue Hayakawa school; IIRC, Hayakwa, in on of his WWII films uttered the line: "After Japan wins the war, I hope to run a university in your country" ...

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Originally Posted by August

I'm sorry Platapus but i've heard this OK Corral argument before and there seems to be little or nothing of substance to back it up. It's just unproven supposition based apparently upon the concept that we shouldn't be allowed any freedom or personal responsibility because we can't be trusted with it. Such an opinion is at complete odds with the very concept of our nation.

For one thing just because people are carrying a weapon it doesn't mean that they are going to suddenly turn into Dirty Harry, drawing and sweeping the crowd with it just because they hear some firecracker pops off in the distance. They are going to do what every other civilian is going to do and that's duck if it's loud enough and then look around to see whats happening first. They'll probably not draw their weapon at all because they'll see that a. the incident is over and b. the presence of a million cops and other convention security.

On the other hand if a bunch of Jihadis were to swarm into the hall tossing hand grenades and shooting automatic weapons then i'd think few cops or other armed citizens are going have a problem with a guy who is shooting in the same direction that they are, and they won't really care if he has a badge showing or not.

So all the various cases in the past where private citizens have mistakenly shot other persons due to an erroneously perceived threat just either didn't happen or each an every one of them is a singular occurrence and not collectively a highly traceable indicator of basic human behavior, behavior which is at the core of the problem of "contagious shooting", recognized as such by both civilian law enforcement experts and the experts in the military, experts who have to deal with trained individuals and not civilians of dubious firearms ability? Talk about blinders...

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03-26-16, 04:29 PM	#1563
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,990 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Imagine an event where there are only "good guys with guns". It just takes one GGWG to think there is a BGWG (via firecracker or even the popping of a bottle of bubbly!) He pulls his weapon and the other GGWGs think he is a BGWG and pull their weapons. The first GGWG now thinks he is facing multiple BGWGs and opens fire. By definition, this guy now becomes a legitimate BGWG and is an legitimate target. Unfortunately, this hapless GGWG (now BGWG) still thinks he is a GGWG and that the other GGWGs are the BGWGs. It would make a funny sketch in a comedy movie.. But real life is DID. While attending conventions, don't be the one who drops the metal tray. Or be the one standing net to the one who drops the tray! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-26-16, 04:57 PM	#1564
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Tell me one thing. How does Cruz think he's eligible to run for POTUS? He was born in Canada and is not a Natural Born US citizen. Maybe he holds dual citizenship but that does not make him Natural Born. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

03-26-16, 06:08 PM	#1571
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Look like Bernie is clobbering Hillary here and in Alaska today. I knew Washington would be a slam-dunk for Bernie. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politi...es-highlights/ __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

03-26-16, 03:38 PM	#1561
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	That has been a thought of mine Platapus, and if you put automatic rifles into the equation then the amount of lead in the air increases expectationally. I guess the Republican Convention will just have to put their faith in their attendees having good trigger discipline.

03-26-16, 06:02 PM	#1570
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 18,141 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	(Little off topic) I don't care where a person is coming from I only care for how he or she trat me and other people. Markus (End of off topic)