Modern Era Submarine II

FPSchazly · 06-01-20, 05:08 PM

I feel like it's a rhetorical question to ask if we would support such a game. Yeah, of course! I feel like this would be the easiest of your obstacles to hurdle. What else do you need?

maslas · 06-03-20, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Julhelm

What have you worked on or produced before? Any artist worth his salt can produce fancy graphics. It's the other stuff that is challenging.

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Originally Posted by FPSchazly

I feel like it's a rhetorical question to ask if we would support such a game. Yeah, of course! I feel like this would be the easiest of your obstacles to hurdle. What else do you need?

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Originally Posted by Julhelm

Well do you have something to show?

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Originally Posted by Hawk66

...Have you already experience with a complex simulation project like this ?

These are all reasonable questions guys!
But let me make a proper introduction to our studio first.
We are professionals in the corporate environment both on IT and Software Development sectors with 25years experience.
We are also the creators of the FlatUniverse multiplayer space shooter that is being used as a testbed for many technologies that we are going to use on a project like this (networking, sensors, ai, graphics, data serialization etc).

We are the MaslasBros and that is what we propose...

Modern Naval Warfare

kyrgiannis · 06-03-20, 02:04 AM

And here is a direct link to our first teaser:

We hope you like it!

Hawk66 · 06-03-20, 02:06 AM

the feature list is nice - as is the trailer....but I would estimate the effort is at least several man years looking at your planned scope.

Do y want to do this as a hobby project or fulltime ?

maslas · 06-03-20, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawk66

the feature list is nice - as is the trailer....but I would estimate the effort is at least several man years looking at your planned scope.

Do y want to do this as a hobby project or fulltime ?

Thanks...

Your estimations are correct but we are not looking at it as a hobby project as you mentioned, not at all.
Our project management and workflow gives us the advantage to give core features and expanding features later... but that depends on the funding that we will manage to raise.

These features mentioned are features that we can actually provide and we are "not theoretically" talking here.

FPSchazly · 06-03-20, 07:01 AM

You've got some stuff there, looks interesting! Seems you're early in development. Do you have any interior shots or shots of stations?

maslas · 06-03-20, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSchazly

You've got some stuff there, looks interesting! Seems you're early in development. Do you have any interior shots or shots of stations?

We have a rule to only show media that reach some quality standards and these standards are hi!

I only take the privilege to show this image because it is already uploaded on the website or else the rest of the team will hang me.

It is evident that Virginia is the first class that will be introduced.

We are on early development for a project of that magnitude. For those who know and understand there is a great series of finished jobs on the back end that we cannot show off.

Support us and we will publish it sooner

FPSchazly · 06-18-20, 12:49 PM

My apologies, I had actually seen that image on your website but I appreciate you posting it again here. Your game looks like it has some promise. What do you ask of this community with respect to support?

Aktungbby · 06-18-20, 07:20 PM

RoryGertrude!

Always good to have a Minnesotan aboard

Texas Red · 06-18-20, 07:24 PM

WOW, this looks amazing! Cannot wait to buy it and test it out for myself!

Great work!

maslas · 06-19-20, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FPSchazly

My apologies, I had actually seen that image on your website but I appreciate you posting it again here. Your game looks like it has some promise. What do you ask of this community with respect to support?

For the time being, spread the word!

Let's show that there is place for this game on the market.

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Originally Posted by the beast

WOW, this looks amazing! Cannot wait to buy it and test it out for myself!

Great work!

Cannot wait to sell it to you either.

All I am aloud to say for the time being is that we are on negotiations with a known publisher. Nothing is sure yet but I will be back with news pretty soon.

Thanks for the kind words. All of you!

Man your TMA stations and start tracking us

XenonSurf · 06-19-20, 05:56 PM

I think it's time for me as a pure player - and not as a producer or developer - to give you my opinion here. I've played almost all subsims which deserve that name and frankly: I don't think that any new submarine simulation although it can surely be done would be a golden egg as for financial success. The genre is simply saturated. If I want to play a submarine game, it's enough for me to buy or play what is already exsistant, no new game can IMO surpass what has been done by Ubisoft, or other great titles mentioned above like Cold Waters, Dangerous Waters, SH series, and even sub games of the 90s which some players prefer because of their simple gameplay and not for their stunning grafics. Even the niche of simplistic sub sims is filled (Crash Dive excels in this area.)
Then, an important factor for you to investigate is: These mentioned titles surely had (have) great success by submarine lovers, but were (are) they financial successes overall? Not in all cases I think.

Only thing I would buy at this point probably is a sub sim like Cold Waters but with multistations and *optional* complexity in the instruments of a submarine and crew management (go look at the original stand of U-Boat for that matter), but the dynamic campaign and re-playability would be crucial for me, also a convincing war environment in the form of an intelligent plot that comes with the campaign. Some days I find the simple UI of Cold Waters good enough to just 'dive' in the game, complexity is not a must for me. But problem for you is: there ARE such games already, maybe not with stunning grafics or included storylines or unexpected events now and then, but these may not be a buy criteria for a sub game. I simply have a very hard time to imagine how you could make it that much better to ensure you big revenues, but then: Some seconds to watch a good play-through video of yours could change everything for me to make it an instant buyer, that's what I hope!

Then another thing you may not find spoken-out too openly in these forums: For younger people, 'submarines' are a thing of the past, not a delightment of the present, more a thing for History books. Another analogy of the past: Why are there no tank simulators published so often today? Because even a 12-year old kid knows: Tanks are there to be shot down, it's their inevitable quick fate, no chance, no real fun in any sort of realism-oriented game. It's hard for young people to forget about super rockets and playing a WW1 or WW2 game; even modern submarines start to have this image of remote times. For you this means it can make a big difference (say lack) in the selling numbers for your title.

I hope this feedback is of some help to you, I wish you good luck with your project should it materialize.

Best greetings,
XS

Caseck · 07-20-20, 10:30 AM

If you're going to do coop-multi-station type stuff, you should build a lobby system like the old MPLAYER, just a simple lobby so everyone interested in playing can hobnob.

The old SFC series when it ran on MPLAYER was great for that. I wouldn't have ever been involved in that game if not for the great online community, and anything to do with SubSim.com usually has some great people to hang around.

Gives niche games legs when there is a community that comes along with it.

Just a thought.

maslas · 07-21-20, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Caseck

If you're going to do coop-multi-station type stuff, you should build a lobby system like the old MPLAYER, just a simple lobby so everyone interested in playing can hobnob.

The old SFC series when it ran on MPLAYER was great for that. I wouldn't have ever been involved in that game if not for the great online community, and anything to do with SubSim.com usually has some great people to hang around.

Gives niche games legs when there is a community that comes along with it.

Just a thought.

Yea that's the idea and we should call it "Officers Lounge" or something... Optimally the chat would be at sync with a specific Discord channel but that is only a thought for the moment.

Capt Jack Harkness · 08-03-20, 08:57 PM

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is accessibility.

The classic sub sims had an incredible depth of systems and tactics and assumed you, the player, were already familiar with them when you started. If not, go dig out the 400-page manual and spend the afternoon reading. Needless to say, these sims were not very welcoming to new players.

Doing one's own research should not be discouraged, of course, but new players should be able to learn the basics without resorting to manuals or Youtube tutorials. DCS has interactive tutorials for every aircraft so that players can learn how things work by doing it; anyone curious about why things work can take a peek in the manuals.

Long story short, a new sim like MNW is a great opportunity to grow our community but it will be more successful if it's approachable to people new to the genre. And making it accessible does not mean watering it down for the pros.

06-01-20, 05:08 PM	#1
FPSchazly Good Hunting! Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Maryland Posts: 771 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 1	I feel like it's a rhetorical question to ask if we would support such a game. Yeah, of course! I feel like this would be the easiest of your obstacles to hurdle. What else do you need? __________________ Your friendly neighborhood modern submarine YouTuber. My videos: Exclusive Look at Modern Naval Warfare! Dangerous Waters Liu Doctrine (LwAmi Learn to play Dangerous Waters

06-03-20, 02:06 AM	#4
Hawk66 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 597 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	the feature list is nice - as is the trailer....but I would estimate the effort is at least several man years looking at your planned scope. Do y want to do this as a hobby project or fulltime ? __________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

06-03-20, 07:01 AM	#6
FPSchazly Good Hunting! Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Maryland Posts: 771 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 1	You've got some stuff there, looks interesting! Seems you're early in development. Do you have any interior shots or shots of stations? __________________ Your friendly neighborhood modern submarine YouTuber. My videos: Exclusive Look at Modern Naval Warfare! Dangerous Waters Liu Doctrine (LwAmi Learn to play Dangerous Waters

06-18-20, 12:49 PM	#8
FPSchazly Good Hunting! Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Maryland Posts: 771 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 1	My apologies, I had actually seen that image on your website but I appreciate you posting it again here. Your game looks like it has some promise. What do you ask of this community with respect to support? __________________ Your friendly neighborhood modern submarine YouTuber. My videos: Exclusive Look at Modern Naval Warfare! Dangerous Waters Liu Doctrine (LwAmi Learn to play Dangerous Waters

06-18-20, 07:20 PM	#9
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,972 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	welcome aboard! RoryGertrude! Always good to have a Minnesotan aboard __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

06-03-20, 02:04 AM	#3
kyrgiannis Bilge Rat Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	And here is a direct link to our first teaser: We hope you like it!

06-18-20, 07:24 PM	#10
Texas Red Fastest Gun Around Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Agua Fira, New Mexico Posts: 2,376 Downloads: 527 Uploads: 5	WOW, this looks amazing! Cannot wait to buy it and test it out for myself! Great work! __________________ There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure. — Colin Powell I'm not very active on the forums anymore. If you have a question, please DM me and I'll respond ASAP!

06-19-20, 05:56 PM	#12
XenonSurf Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany, Italy Posts: 1,703 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 4	I think it's time for me as a pure player - and not as a producer or developer - to give you my opinion here. I've played almost all subsims which deserve that name and frankly: I don't think that any new submarine simulation although it can surely be done would be a golden egg as for financial success. The genre is simply saturated. If I want to play a submarine game, it's enough for me to buy or play what is already exsistant, no new game can IMO surpass what has been done by Ubisoft, or other great titles mentioned above like Cold Waters, Dangerous Waters, SH series, and even sub games of the 90s which some players prefer because of their simple gameplay and not for their stunning grafics. Even the niche of simplistic sub sims is filled (Crash Dive excels in this area.) Then, an important factor for you to investigate is: These mentioned titles surely had (have) great success by submarine lovers, but were (are) they financial successes overall? Not in all cases I think. Only thing I would buy at this point probably is a sub sim like Cold Waters but with multistations and optional complexity in the instruments of a submarine and crew management (go look at the original stand of U-Boat for that matter), but the dynamic campaign and re-playability would be crucial for me, also a convincing war environment in the form of an intelligent plot that comes with the campaign. Some days I find the simple UI of Cold Waters good enough to just 'dive' in the game, complexity is not a must for me. But problem for you is: there ARE such games already, maybe not with stunning grafics or included storylines or unexpected events now and then, but these may not be a buy criteria for a sub game. I simply have a very hard time to imagine how you could make it that much better to ensure you big revenues, but then: Some seconds to watch a good play-through video of yours could change everything for me to make it an instant buyer, that's what I hope! Then another thing you may not find spoken-out too openly in these forums: For younger people, 'submarines' are a thing of the past, not a delightment of the present, more a thing for History books. Another analogy of the past: Why are there no tank simulators published so often today? Because even a 12-year old kid knows: Tanks are there to be shot down, it's their inevitable quick fate, no chance, no real fun in any sort of realism-oriented game. It's hard for young people to forget about super rockets and playing a WW1 or WW2 game; even modern submarines start to have this image of remote times. For you this means it can make a big difference (say lack) in the selling numbers for your title. I hope this feedback is of some help to you, I wish you good luck with your project should it materialize. Best greetings, XS Last edited by XenonSurf; 06-19-20 at 07:48 PM.

07-20-20, 10:30 AM	#13
Caseck Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CONUS Posts: 116 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	If you're going to do coop-multi-station type stuff, you should build a lobby system like the old MPLAYER, just a simple lobby so everyone interested in playing can hobnob. The old SFC series when it ran on MPLAYER was great for that. I wouldn't have ever been involved in that game if not for the great online community, and anything to do with SubSim.com usually has some great people to hang around. Gives niche games legs when there is a community that comes along with it. Just a thought.

08-03-20, 08:57 PM	#15
Capt Jack Harkness Samurai Navy Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 567 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 1	One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is accessibility. The classic sub sims had an incredible depth of systems and tactics and assumed you, the player, were already familiar with them when you started. If not, go dig out the 400-page manual and spend the afternoon reading. Needless to say, these sims were not very welcoming to new players. Doing one's own research should not be discouraged, of course, but new players should be able to learn the basics without resorting to manuals or Youtube tutorials. DCS has interactive tutorials for every aircraft so that players can learn how things work by doing it; anyone curious about why things work can take a peek in the manuals. Long story short, a new sim like MNW is a great opportunity to grow our community but it will be more successful if it's approachable to people new to the genre. And making it accessible does not mean watering it down for the pros.