Things I definitely DON'T want in Wolfpack

Lost At Sea · 10-12-19, 10:25 AM

I don't understand the hate you guys are expressing for external views !!!!
What do you care about what others do with their view settings

Your missions may block external views for all players joining your lobby (own sub and other subs), but the other lobby set up by that bloke from Johannesburg, South Africa, may have them turned on if he wishes.
How does it kill your precious immersion if you stick to your own words and never ever join his lobby...?

I'm curious.

Most sims I can think of do have external views as an option. I see no difference with Wolfpack.
As long as settings are clearly indicated in a lobby, it is fine.
Their choice, and your choice to jump in or bug off to your own lobby.

Cheers,
Lost

abaileyatd · 10-12-19, 11:59 AM

It's just a direction the sim doesn't need to move in in my opinion. The goal of Wolfpack is to re-create as best as possible the feeling of being inside the submarine, operating it in a somewhat realistic fashion in cooperation with other people. Honestly even the single player bots erodes away at this, however I understand why they've implemented it and in fact welcome this addition... But I do worry that people's demand for this to just be Silent Hunter 6 will dilute the pure aspects that make Wolfpack so great and unique. Remember this is a small independent dev team, with a lot of absolutely necessary things on their plate as it is. Everything they add to the development takes time away from something else. Wolfpack has a specific focus and it should be respected because no other game has ever tackled it in this way, and it doesn't look likely that many more are on the horizon at this time. Just my opinion!

For my single player kicks I still play SH5 TWOS, which is a woefully underrated experience to this day in my opinion... There you can have all the amazing external views you could possibly want, with much more fleshed out external eye candy.

ceh · 10-12-19, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost At Sea

I don't understand the hate you guys are expressing for external views !!!!

I'd venture a guess and say: because it's a 'cheat'.

External views offer a perspective you otherwise wouldn't have, being in a submarine. You can compare it to 3rd person view in shooters.

Lost At Sea · 10-12-19, 09:09 PM

Oh well, I do agree External Views are not a priority, probably far down on my wish list. The roadmap is already packed with future goodies.

But why would you dictate how others should play the sim? Posh elitism, nothing else.

Cheers,
Lost

ceh · 10-13-19, 03:12 AM

I'm sure that guys (probably safe to assume girls are scarce if not non-existent in our community) that have been around know the deal.

Using a 'cheat', as I described above, makes the game easier to play. This leads to people choosing the easier way to play. This, in turn leads to player base segmentation. Segmentation is bad, since there are two groups of players that are, in a way, incompatible.

So, a posh elitist looks for a lobby to play in, but all he can see are lobbies in easy mode. Been there, done that. Sucks.

Granted, in our case (not requiring 50 people for a game) is not that much of threat, but on the other hand, there aren't thousands of us either.

All in all, it's a slippery slope.

Elphaba · 10-13-19, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ceh

I'm sure that guys (probably safe to assume girls are scarce if not non-existent in our community)

Oh really.... yawn.

blackswan40 · 10-13-19, 07:11 AM

Ho Mighty Neptune forgive them for they know not what they do!!!

ceh have you booked your free eye test at specsavers also we havn't been keeping our hears to the ground of late have we.

Guess who's been modding Wolfpack?

Mod list

Dud Torpedo's
Premature Detonations
Circle Running Torpedos

Flooding the Ballast Tanks When you fire a Torpedo the bow of your Uboat rises so you have to open and close forward balast tank to compansate the torpedo or torpedos fired everytime you fire one same on stern tube on a Type VII
Type II Modeled with only six Torpedos
25 minuets between Torpedo reloads on type II's and VII's

Adds a lot more Depth to Wolfpack no pun intended

Elphaba is to Wolfpack what Mr R.J.Mitchell was to the Spitfire!!!

derstosstrupp · 10-13-19, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackswan40

Ho Mighty Neptune forgive them for they know not what they do!!!

ceh have you booked your free eye test at specsavers also we havn't been keeping our hears to the ground of late have we.

Guess who's been modding Wolfpack?

Mod list

Dud Torpedo's
Premature Detonations
Circle Running Torpedos

Flooding the Ballast Tanks When you fire a Torpedo the bow of your Uboat rises so you have to open and close forward balast tank to compansate the torpedo or torpedos fired everytime you fire one same on stern tube on a Type VII
Type II Modeled with only six Torpedos
25 minuets between Torpedo reloads on type II's and VII's

Adds a lot more Depth to Wolfpack no pun intended

Elphaba is to Wolfpack what Mr R.J.Mitchell was to the Spitfire!!!

THIS

Come join us at Wolfpack BdU!

10-13-19, 03:12 AM	#5
ceh Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: GMT+1 Posts: 43 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I'm sure that guys (probably safe to assume girls are scarce if not non-existent in our community) that have been around know the deal. Using a 'cheat', as I described above, makes the game easier to play. This leads to people choosing the easier way to play. This, in turn leads to player base segmentation. Segmentation is bad, since there are two groups of players that are, in a way, incompatible. So, a posh elitist looks for a lobby to play in, but all he can see are lobbies in easy mode. Been there, done that. Sucks. Granted, in our case (not requiring 50 people for a game) is not that much of threat, but on the other hand, there aren't thousands of us either. All in all, it's a slippery slope. Last edited by ceh; 05-26-21 at 11:41 AM.

10-13-19, 07:11 AM	#7
blackswan40 LSH-2022 Liaison Officer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: IN THE STEEL SHARKS VIRTUAL OCEAN Posts: 2,520 Downloads: 590 Uploads: 30	Ho Mighty Neptune forgive them for they know not what they do!!! ceh have you booked your free eye test at specsavers also we havn't been keeping our hears to the ground of late have we. Guess who's been modding Wolfpack? Mod list Dud Torpedo's Premature Detonations Circle Running Torpedos Flooding the Ballast Tanks When you fire a Torpedo the bow of your Uboat rises so you have to open and close forward balast tank to compansate the torpedo or torpedos fired everytime you fire one same on stern tube on a Type VII Type II Modeled with only six Torpedos 25 minuets between Torpedo reloads on type II's and VII's Adds a lot more Depth to Wolfpack no pun intended Elphaba is to Wolfpack what Mr R.J.Mitchell was to the Spitfire!!! Last edited by blackswan40; 10-13-19 at 08:07 AM. Reason: f

10-12-19, 10:25 AM	#1
Lost At Sea Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 136 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	I don't understand the hate you guys are expressing for external views !!!! What do you care about what others do with their view settings Your missions may block external views for all players joining your lobby (own sub and other subs), but the other lobby set up by that bloke from Johannesburg, South Africa, may have them turned on if he wishes. How does it kill your precious immersion if you stick to your own words and never ever join his lobby...? I'm curious. Most sims I can think of do have external views as an option. I see no difference with Wolfpack. As long as settings are clearly indicated in a lobby, it is fine. Their choice, and your choice to jump in or bug off to your own lobby. Cheers, Lost

10-12-19, 11:59 AM	#2
abaileyatd Sailor man Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 49 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	It's just a direction the sim doesn't need to move in in my opinion. The goal of Wolfpack is to re-create as best as possible the feeling of being inside the submarine, operating it in a somewhat realistic fashion in cooperation with other people. Honestly even the single player bots erodes away at this, however I understand why they've implemented it and in fact welcome this addition... But I do worry that people's demand for this to just be Silent Hunter 6 will dilute the pure aspects that make Wolfpack so great and unique. Remember this is a small independent dev team, with a lot of absolutely necessary things on their plate as it is. Everything they add to the development takes time away from something else. Wolfpack has a specific focus and it should be respected because no other game has ever tackled it in this way, and it doesn't look likely that many more are on the horizon at this time. Just my opinion! For my single player kicks I still play SH5 TWOS, which is a woefully underrated experience to this day in my opinion... There you can have all the amazing external views you could possibly want, with much more fleshed out external eye candy.

10-12-19, 09:09 PM	#4
Lost At Sea Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 136 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Oh well, I do agree External Views are not a priority, probably far down on my wish list. The roadmap is already packed with future goodies. But why would you dictate how others should play the sim? Posh elitism, nothing else. Cheers, Lost