About Stauffenberg - a cult that has gone (a bit) wrong

Catfish · 07-21-18, 04:33 PM

maybe of interest (it is a Google tranlate, so...)
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A friend of mine has died this year, the son of the aforementioned Ewald-Heinrich von Kleist, who was one of the conspirators, together with Stauffenberg. Like others, his son became a victim of collective punishment (family members of the conspirators receiced a special tretament, or were isolated and imprisoned). For the officers who wanted to stop Hitler, it was not a question of installing a democratic government, but foremost of moral. It is ridiculous to think that Stauffenberg wanted to become the new Fuehrer, after Hitler. Maybe for the time of some transition government, and he certainly had no sweet spot for democracy.
And today, only shining heroes of democracy (how the still strong propaganda tries to perpetrate it) will be supported by the media, any other motivation, reason or truth is not allowed to exist.

STEED · 07-22-18, 08:05 AM

Leaving out the aftermath if Hitler was or as the case was not killed and just looking at the events before the fatal day. Some would say Stauffenberg was just trying to save his own skin knowing that the tide of war had turned.

If the war was going well would he have joined the plotters? Don't ask me as that timeline was not to be. Did he join just because the injury left a mark on him like some sort of grudge against Hitler? Again i don't know.

From my point of view what Stauffenberg did and he knew what could happen if he failed clearly did not stop him from trying. And out of all the plots only this one came near to succeeding in killing Hitler. As for the aftermath again we will never know if they would have got control.

He clearly took the decision to stand against Hitler and take direct action which was a big risk. What ever his true motivation was he rolled the dice and lost.

07-21-18, 04:33 PM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,905 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	maybe of interest (it is a Google tranlate, so...) https://translate.google.com/transla...233&edit-text= A friend of mine has died this year, the son of the aforementioned Ewald-Heinrich von Kleist, who was one of the conspirators, together with Stauffenberg. Like others, his son became a victim of collective punishment (family members of the conspirators receiced a special tretament, or were isolated and imprisoned). For the officers who wanted to stop Hitler, it was not a question of installing a democratic government, but foremost of moral. It is ridiculous to think that Stauffenberg wanted to become the new Fuehrer, after Hitler. Maybe for the time of some transition government, and he certainly had no sweet spot for democracy. And today, only shining heroes of democracy (how the still strong propaganda tries to perpetrate it) will be supported by the media, any other motivation, reason or truth is not allowed to exist. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 07-21-18 at 04:48 PM.*

07-22-18, 08:05 AM	#2
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Leaving out the aftermath if Hitler was or as the case was not killed and just looking at the events before the fatal day. Some would say Stauffenberg was just trying to save his own skin knowing that the tide of war had turned. If the war was going well would he have joined the plotters? Don't ask me as that timeline was not to be. Did he join just because the injury left a mark on him like some sort of grudge against Hitler? Again i don't know. From my point of view what Stauffenberg did and he knew what could happen if he failed clearly did not stop him from trying. And out of all the plots only this one came near to succeeding in killing Hitler. As for the aftermath again we will never know if they would have got control. He clearly took the decision to stand against Hitler and take direct action which was a big risk. What ever his true motivation was he rolled the dice and lost. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!