[REL] "New" old unit: Queen Mary ocean liner \ troop transport (Reworked 2017 edition) - Page 4

nik112 · 09-15-17, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VonDos

Hi nik!
Multitexture: NPPQ_T01 & NPPQ_T02
(01 for Cunard colors, 02 for gray ghost)

Best regards,
Vd

Thanks pal

cheers

VonDos · 09-15-17, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gap

Okay, I see the problems. I will see what I can do

...
By the way: did you import normals when you imported the model in S3d?

No i didn't import normals, if i well remember

If and only if (make me know) you've not started this work, can you please use this hull in place of previous posted please?
https://www.sendspace.com/file/rta3uc
This solve a couple of small vertex bug =)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nik112

Thanks pal
cheers

You're welcome!

Best regards,
Vd

edit: i'm going to the mountain now, so if reply will be late in next 2 days, you know why =)

the_frog · 09-15-17, 03:14 PM

Hello,

using normals in SH3 is no good idea ...

I am off the screen (as I had been for the last weeks) for another 2 or 3 weeks. So, I won't be of any help until early/mid October.

Cheers

gap · 09-17-17, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_frog

Hello,

using normals in SH3 is no good idea ...

I am off the screen (as I had been for the last weeks) for another 2 or 3 weeks. So, I won't be of any help until early/mid October.

Cheers

Well, it depends: so far I have always imported them and I couldn't notice any problem, but I might have been lucky

@ VonDos

Opening your files now. I hope to post an update before dark

09-17-17, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VonDos

Please can you send me this texture file? =)
Thanks!

Here : http://www.mediafire.com/file/z2bb4y.../NPPQ__T01.tga

VonDos · 09-17-17, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kendras

Here : http://www.mediafire.com/file/z2bb4y.../NPPQ__T01.tga

Thanks!

09-17-17, 04:05 PM

A link for wartime appearance : https://www.boatbuilding.xyz/queen-mary/a-naw.html

09-17-17, 04:12 PM

I'm going to re-work the damage boxes as on this plan :

VonDos · 09-18-17, 02:23 AM

Thanks, Kendras!
About wartime appearance, i can add those tons of nodes (!) but i see a radar and degaussing coils on the side. This require a couple of idea about how to represent this ship (split in 2 different ships, add parts to both Cunard and Gray version, as a library, from 1942; create a "timeline unit" like Queen of Bermuda, with a pre 1942 Cunard e and a post 1942 Gray Ghost)...

BTW i'm working on detail on actual model: you can see the new rudder and rigging...

Best regards,
Vd

ps Nice tga! I'm testing it now!

gap · 09-18-17, 07:23 PM

After sleepless nights I can finally switch off my manifold welding machine

Here is the result:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/zoh60...MSQueenMary.7z

Each of the two obj files stored in the package contain all of the parts that you sent to me. For ease, I have regrouped the meshes as follows: one object for each funnel, one for superstructure and decks, one for the hull and one for the portholes. You might want to further group them before importing them in unit's dat file.
Each object has only one material, except for the superstructure which has three materials: one for the vertical surfaces, one for the decks, and one for the railings.

One of the obj files contains meshes whose vertices/edges have been conveniently merged. This should fix the unwanted hard edges seen on stern, funnels, bridge and elsewhere on the model. It should also sensibly reduce file size (lesser vertex/edges coordinates stored on file).
Meshes stored in the second object file have been subsequently edge-splitted where hard edges were needed. This implies an increase in vertex/edge coordinates (their final count should still be lesser than it was in th eoriginal files though), but it should fix the weird lighting effect seen on the rear superstructure. My suggestion is you to use meshes from this file.

In addition to that, I have remapped deck's UV projection and added in the zip file a new wooden deck texture. Feel free to scrap it or to edit it at wish.

Furthermore, there were some small topological errors and overlapping faces in the model. I fixed those errors as much as I could, but there still are some redundant faces (that shouldn't be visible in game, being totally occluded by other faces), missing faces, and what I think are misaligned objects. See the spoiler below for an example of what I am talking about:

Last: included in tbe package is a version of the main unit texture with better 2D portholes (in case they are still needed) and intermediate funnel/hull colors between Kendras' and my last version (exactly 50-50). With Kendra's colours the ship looks as if she was fresh from shipyard: very shiny/saturated, but a bit flat and too much glaring (especially the red funnels); on the other hand I like dirty textures with a lot of 2D/3D detail painted on them (maybe too much at times). Let me know what you think about this third version, and we will eventually find a good balance between the two extremes

09-18-17, 08:31 PM

Great work !

By the way, did you compare this SH5 model with original blue prints ?

The hull is especially wrong at the bow and at the stern if you look at it from above. I think it is the proper time to correct this 3D model.

gap · 09-19-17, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendras

Great work !

By the way, did you compare this SH5 model with original blue prints ?

No, I didn't

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendras

The hull is especially wrong at the bow and at the stern if you look at it from above. I think it is the proper time to correct this 3D model.

Was the original hull version more accurate? If yes, maybe it could be combined with SH5 superstructure, but let's listen to VonDos first

VonDos · 09-21-17, 05:14 AM

@gap: THANKS! You do it!!

I've modified a little your planks file, adapting this file to enalrged original tga. Mixed result appear to be:

@for both: if we can improve stern and bow, let's do it. About militarized version method of illustration, any idea?

gap · 09-21-17, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by VonDos

@gap: THANKS! You do it!!

For a complex object such as the ship you are workin on, the polygon-merging process is a tedious one, but I am always glad to help

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

I've modified a little your planks file, adapting this file to enalrged original tga. Mixed result appear to be:

Not bad at all!

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

@for both: if we can improve stern and bow, let's do it. About militarized version method of illustration, any idea?

I have not seen any top view plan of the ship. Let's see what Kendras says

09-21-17, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gap

I have not seen any top view plan of the ship. Let's see what Kendras says

This :

09-18-17, 02:23 AM	#54
VonDos Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 2,302 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 56	Thanks, Kendras! About wartime appearance, i can add those tons of nodes (!) but i see a radar and degaussing coils on the side. This require a couple of idea about how to represent this ship (split in 2 different ships, add parts to both Cunard and Gray version, as a library, from 1942; create a "timeline unit" like Queen of Bermuda, with a pre 1942 Cunard e and a post 1942 Gray Ghost)... BTW i'm working on detail on actual model: you can see the new rudder and rigging... Best regards, Vd ps Nice tga! I'm testing it now! __________________ Those, others and WIP ships are avaiable in my SHIPYARD here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136508

09-18-17, 07:23 PM	#55
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	At last After sleepless nights I can finally switch off my manifold welding machine Here is the result: https://www.mediafire.com/file/zoh60...MSQueenMary.7z Each of the two obj files stored in the package contain all of the parts that you sent to me. For ease, I have regrouped the meshes as follows: one object for each funnel, one for superstructure and decks, one for the hull and one for the portholes. You might want to further group them before importing them in unit's dat file. Each object has only one material, except for the superstructure which has three materials: one for the vertical surfaces, one for the decks, and one for the railings. One of the obj files contains meshes whose vertices/edges have been conveniently merged. This should fix the unwanted hard edges seen on stern, funnels, bridge and elsewhere on the model. It should also sensibly reduce file size (lesser vertex/edges coordinates stored on file). Meshes stored in the second object file have been subsequently edge-splitted where hard edges were needed. This implies an increase in vertex/edge coordinates (their final count should still be lesser than it was in th eoriginal files though), but it should fix the weird lighting effect seen on the rear superstructure. My suggestion is you to use meshes from this file. In addition to that, I have remapped deck's UV projection and added in the zip file a new wooden deck texture. Feel free to scrap it or to edit it at wish. Furthermore, there were some small topological errors and overlapping faces in the model. I fixed those errors as much as I could, but there still are some redundant faces (that shouldn't be visible in game, being totally occluded by other faces), missing faces, and what I think are misaligned objects. See the spoiler below for an example of what I am talking about: Last: included in tbe package is a version of the main unit texture with better 2D portholes (in case they are still needed) and intermediate funnel/hull colors between Kendras' and my last version (exactly 50-50). With Kendra's colours the ship looks as if she was fresh from shipyard: very shiny/saturated, but a bit flat and too much glaring (especially the red funnels); on the other hand I like dirty textures with a lot of 2D/3D detail painted on them (maybe too much at times). Let me know what you think about this third version, and we will eventually find a good balance between the two extremes __________________ _____________________ \|May the Force be with you!\| ...\/

09-21-17, 05:14 AM	#58
VonDos Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 2,302 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 56	@gap: THANKS! You do it!! I've modified a little your planks file, adapting this file to enalrged original tga. Mixed result appear to be: @for both: if we can improve stern and bow, let's do it. About militarized version method of illustration, any idea? __________________ Those, others and WIP ships are avaiable in my SHIPYARD here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136508

09-15-17, 03:14 PM	#48
the_frog Commander Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 456 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Hello, using normals in SH3 is no good idea ... I am off the screen (as I had been for the last weeks) for another 2 or 3 weeks. So, I won't be of any help until early/mid October. Cheers

09-17-17, 04:05 PM	#52
Kendras Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	A link for wartime appearance : https://www.boatbuilding.xyz/queen-mary/a-naw.html

09-17-17, 04:12 PM	#53
Kendras Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I'm going to re-work the damage boxes as on this plan :

09-18-17, 08:31 PM	#56
Kendras Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Great work ! By the way, did you compare this SH5 model with original blue prints ? The hull is especially wrong at the bow and at the stern if you look at it from above. I think it is the proper time to correct this 3D model.