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Old 08-11-17, 04:03 PM   #16
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Holy ****.
Even my memories sink now...

Didn't expect to read this outside the usual community channels, but it's a sad thing to read.

Here's the YT playlist for the 2009 Subsim Meet where we sailed on the Nautilus (among other cool activities), if anyone wants a bit of a time travel moment.

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Hope that all turn out well.
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Inventor rescued from home-made submarine charged with murder of Swedish journalist
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Getting info that the journalist is Kim Wall


That's not verified by any police source
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From FB Subsim member Allan Jenkins

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According to the sailor who rescued Peter Madsen -- he found the sub after just an hour's search -- the sub was afloat until he approached it. Madsen was on the conning tower. When the boat drew nearer, Madsen went below, the sub began sinking quickly, Madsen returned to the conning tower and jumped in the water. Very calmly.

Madsen claims he dropped the journalist off at a restaurant in Copenhagen harbor. The owner of the restaurant says, though, the restaurant was closed at the time of the drop off. However, he has security tapes from all around the restaurant, and he voluntarily gave them to the police.

The coast guard knows the position of the sub and are preparing to bring it in. It sank in seven meters of water.

Madsen was arrested and charged with murder just hours after the rescue, and he is to be arraigned tomorrow (Saturday) morning.
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Getting info that the journalist is Kim Wall
That's not verified by any police source
It is more or less now:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/kim-isabe...sdrama/6775956
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/nu-taler-...fundet/6776125

Friends and family started to make search posts for her at Facebook, and well, then the police can't keep it a secret anymore. I don't get it either why they wanted to keep her identity secret, if they wanted the population to look for her.
Anyway, it's a sad story and also a very strange story. The biggest problem for Peter Madsen is that she hasn't turned up, and the longer it lasts until she turns up, the more suspicious it is. If he has set her off at Refshaleøen, as he said, why has noone seen her and why hasn't she contacted her family, boyfriend etc.? Could something bad have happend to her after PM set her off? That's possible too, but it's just speculations until she is found, dead or alive. Hopefully, she'll turn up alive, and soon...
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Old 08-12-17, 07:31 AM   #22
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http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/tid...sttank-tjekkes

At this moment, the authorities are working on getting the Nautilus up, so they can verify the statement from PM about the problem with the ballast tank, and also to check for any track for a possible crime, though any track is most likely damaged by the time being in saltwater, so the police won't hurry to get the sub up, but they will get it up.
The article also states that the police are looking for eye witness and video surveillance from the area. Plus any details from telephone companies regarding her phone connection to the phone masts in order to make a map of her whereabouts.
They're checking his clothes for any DNA, and he is supposed to be in court right now, as the court sessions was supposed to start at 14.00 Danish time (+1 GMT).
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UC3 Nautilus has surfaced:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/ubaad-hae...bsspor/6776260

The police will now try to get it up on land and empty the salt water out of it.

Tbc....
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Update

http://www.bt.dk/krimi/lige-nu-raket...tsomt-manddrab

Behind closed doors in the court, the charge has been changed from murder to manslaughter. According to this article, Peter Madsen has to stay jailed for the next 24 days.
The court decided to keep the doors closed in order to facilitate the police investigation and not to hurt the feelings of the family of Kim Wall. Peter Madsen had expressed willingness to make his statement with the doors open, but the judge decided not to follow his wishes.

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a3610406.html

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Judge Kari Soerensen announced the ruling after a two-hour custody hearing held behind closed doors.

Madsen's defence lawyer, Bettina Hald Engmark, said her client maintains he is innocent.

Ms Hald Engmark said Madsen is "willing to cooperate" and has not decided whether to appeal the detention ruling.

Before the hearing was closed, the courtroom was packed with Danish and Swedish reporters and the 46-year-old Madsen's relatives.

Prosecutor Louise Pedersen said Madsen faces the preliminary manslaughter charge "for having killed in an unknown way and in an unknown place Kim Isabell Frerika Wall, of Sweden, sometime after Thursday, 5pm."
Amazing how quickly the prosecutor moved to press charges. It implies they feel strongly that Peter is lying and guilty. I hope it turns out she is ok, so Peter can show he was innocent; strange how she has not made an appearance though.
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Police reveal Kim Wall isn't in the submarine.

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Well, that's certainly a relief but the story is now being aired on UK news channels and something just doesn't appear right, especially how fast the authorities are raising serious concerns.

Hope this all ends well.
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According to the sailor who rescued Peter Madsen -- he found the sub after just an hour's search -- the sub was afloat until he approached it. Madsen was on the conning tower. When the boat drew nearer, Madsen went below, the sub began sinking quickly, Madsen returned to the conning tower and jumped in the water. Very calmly.
That's a very bad sign. But why would he scuttle the boat as they approached in such an obvious manner? Why would he lie about her being on the boat when upon resurfacing the boat the truth will be obvious. For that matter the claim of ballast tank problems will be obvious too.

Logic says he's smart enough to know all that is true and therefore is likely telling the truth. Reality is much stranger than logic. Staying tuned on this one and hoping for the best.

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Some different articles and the main content of those...

https://www.b.dk/nationalt/politi-om...vidst-handling
http://nyheder.tv2.dk/krimi/2017-08-...svundet-kvinde
http://www.bt.dk/krimi/6-pointer-fra...baadsmysteriet
http://www.bt.dk/krimi/svensk-eksper...-noget-paa-ham

The police says that it seems to be a deliberate act of scuttling the boat.
The woman, Kim Wall, wasn't found in the boat, neither dead or alive, and now they're making a search in the coastal area around Copenhagen. It also seems that Peter has changed his explanations about setting KW off, but it doesn't say what the new story is. But the changed story was apparently the explanation why the charge was changed from murder to unintended manslaughter. He has to stay in the hands of the police for now until september 5th, while the police investigate. They're working for two scenarios: 1) that she is somewhere in the water or 2) that she is somewhere in Copenhagen on land. They hope to find her alive, but assume that she is dead somewhere. An expert claims that the police must have "something on him" for them to keep him. The police hasn't commented on that.

Tbc....
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2 more articles:

http://www.bt.dk/krimi/nye-oplysning...-med-fragtskib
http://www.bt.dk/krimi/klar-laest-ti...klaring-det-er

A witness from a cargo ship has stated that the cargo ship almost had a collision the night between thursday and friday with the sub, because Nautilus was sailing with the lights turned off, which is irregular behaviour at sea. Nautilus was seen sailing towards Denmark in the open waters of the Sound which is filled with traffic.
To me it sounds like it was in Flintrenden at the east, which you can see on this map:
http://www.bigfish.dk/images/map_full.jpg

The second article is about expert opinion as to the changed explanation from PM. He suggests that the lawyer of PM has probably pursuaded PM to change the explanation because the original would be quickly investigated by the police.

Tbc....
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