[WIP] Lighthouses mod - Page 6

gap · 02-02-17, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MLF

Reef visible in game on surface (whether OnLand= true or false)

Nothing visible underwater.

And I drove straight through it.

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Originally Posted by SquareSteelBar

Confirm that

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Originally Posted by Kendras

Yes, that's logical, because the base of the 3D model will always be placed on the sea surface if the model is placed from the Locations.cfg file. But the base should be placed on the sea bed if you create a new land unit and place it with the mission editor.

So a terrain object is always anchored to the sea surface, wether its OnLand property is set to true or false?
To me sounds more logical having the reefs anchored to the seabottom for at least for two reasons:

1 - If the rocks are on land, their base will always be on the seabottom, no matter what sea depth is, thus avoiding the risk of having "floating rocks"

2 - depending on sea depth, a bigger or smaller portion will emerge from water, thus providing more variety in game.

What do you think?

gap · 02-02-17, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kendras

About the rock, I would prefer a flat base from which some reliefs are emerging. Something like that, but smaller of course :

The base vertices/edges of my current model are on an horizontal plane, just as in the picture you linked to your post. I only removed the flat faces on the base because I thought they would be hidden under the seabed anyway.

Do you want them visible instead?

gap · 02-02-17, 11:26 AM

One last comment for now (sorry for spamming your thread Kendras

): from MLF's and SquareSteelBar's screenies (thank you guys!) it is pretty obvious that the ambient occlusion texture is not rendered on top of the diffuse texture. I suspect the AO texture map to be blocked by the SpecularMask controller also applied to the reef material. Can someone please remove that controller together with its container from the file and/or move them below the "Reef1AO.tga" texture map, and repeat the test?

Another suspect is the "in-memory DX2/3 texture compression" flag that I checked both for the main and for the AO textures, but let's try with the SpecularMask controller first...

MLF · 02-02-17, 11:49 AM

Hi Gap,

I assume there was a clash between ID's in your file and something in my set-up. Therefore I remapped IDs and all worked.

The 2nd CTD was my being dumb - hadn't noticed that Kendras had included a Locations.cfg in his mod. Think his called up something not available in my setup.

I found that by changing the Node-Reef1 Node Positioning Translation Y value I could lower and raise the reef in the water, actually submerging it altogether, or having it float in the air.

Here is the your modified .dat file:-

https://www.mediafire.com/?6h7401kv6ca55op

MLF

PS: - didn't see your last post re the ambient occlusion texture. Will give it a go, but maybe tomorrow.

gap · 02-02-17, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MLF

I assume there was a clash between ID's in your file and something in my set-up. Therefore I remapped IDs and all worked.

The 2nd CTD was my being dumb - hadn't noticed that Kendras had included a Locations.cfg in his mod. Think his called up something not available in my setup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLF

I found that by changing the Node-Reef1 Node Positioning Translation Y value I could lower and raise the reef in the water, actually submerging it altogether, or having it float in the air.

Good to know. The model is 27.8 m (i.e. 2.78 game units) high, so if we set the Y translation value of its bone to, let's say, -1.78, the rock would rise 10 m over the sea level, and if placed on waters deeper than ca. 17.8 m, it would "float" rather than laying on the seabed. Easy math, but I think it would be better if we found a way to link the model directly to the terrain.

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Originally Posted by MLF

PS: - didn't see your last post re the ambient occlusion texture. Will give it a go, but maybe tomorrow.

Thank you MLF, take your time

02-03-17, 09:17 AM

So, I placed your reef model and texture in my first mod. The file is placed in data/Terrain/Location, and placement written in data/Terrain/Locations.cfg. I have reworked your 3D model : 150% on Y axis, and 0 height at sea level. In Locations.cfg, if I set "On land=true", then the reef is not visible at all in game. So, I let on "false".

In GAME:

Here at depth = -17 m (checked in Mission editor). Note that the texture is not applied, the land is grey, but with a stone aspect.

Now, at depth = -28 m, and specular mask deleted. The same texture is applied above and underwater. Other thing : the sea surface is the same on the reef:

Crash test OK:

MLF · 02-03-17, 10:06 AM

Hi Kendras

Did you use the file I gave link for, or Gap's original file?

I did as Gap asked, moved specular mask down under the "Reef1AO.tga" texture map - no change noticed.

I then deleted the specular mask controller - again no difference noticed.

I then created a Reef1AO Ambiant Occlusion controller - still no difference.

Possibly there has been a change, and in my ignorance I've missed it

, so what exactly should I be expecting to see? I have compared my original screenshots with the results of each change and no difference has been noticed.

Can you explain what you did in more detail from your statement "I have reworked your 3D model : 150% on Y axis, and 0 height at sea level. In Locations.cfg, if I set "On land=true", then the reef is not visible at all in game. So, I let on "false".". What do you mean by 150% on the Y axis?

02-03-17, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MLF

Did you use the file I gave link for, or Gap's original file?

Gap's file.

I did as Gap asked, moved specular mask down under the "Reef1AO.tga" texture map - no change noticed.

I didn't try, I think I should.

I then deleted the specular mask controller - again no difference noticed.

Strange.

Can you explain what you did in more detail from your statement "I have reworked your 3D model : 150% on Y axis, and 0 height at sea level. In Locations.cfg, if I set "On land=true", then the reef is not visible at all in game. So, I let on "false".". What do you mean by 150% on the Y axis?

Just a pic to understand:

SquareSteelBar · 02-03-17, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MLF

...What do you mean by 150% on the Y axis?

I think he stretched the height of the rock...

02-03-17, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SquareSteelBar

I think he stretched the height of the rock...

Yes.

02-03-17, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gap

I think it would be better if we found a way to link the model directly to the terrain.

Now, it's better : the model is linked directly to ... the sea level !

02-03-17, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MLF

I did as Gap asked, moved specular mask down under the "Reef1AO.tga" texture map - no change noticed.

Yes, I confirm, the stone remains grey (no texture of weeds).

MLF · 02-03-17, 01:20 PM

Weird that using the file Gap uploaded, your sub crashed into Gap's reef, yet mine and SquareSteelBar's sailed right through

SH3 setup differences?

My test setup is patched to 1.4b, with GWX and only 2 mods - Wise's type VIIC and the 4Gb patch.

02-03-17, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MLF

Weird that using the file Gap uploaded, your sub crashed into Gap's reef, yet mine and SquareSteelBar's sailed right through

SH3 setup differences?

My test setup is patched to 1.4b, with GWX and only 2 mods - Wise's type VIIC and the 4Gb patch.

Because I've modified it !

http://www.mediafire.com/file/e5cebi...ef_located.zip

And don't forget :

[Location ###] ; test new lighthouse
Long=-4.755715
Lat=48.043404
Heading=0
OnLand=false
ShowOnMap=true
FileName=islets_reefs_shoals
LocationName=La Vieille

MLF · 02-03-17, 02:16 PM

OK - looking at your .dat file I see you have possibly also solved the AO problem by putting the AO controller under the main material. This worked for me (see screenshots)

I have put your .dat file in the locations folder replacing Gaps initial one.

I then ran up your mission and observed a lighthouse floating in mid-air with no reef in sight????????????? Perhaps I'm tired.

02-02-17, 11:26 AM	#78
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	One last comment for now (sorry for spamming your thread Kendras ): from MLF's and SquareSteelBar's screenies (thank you guys!) it is pretty obvious that the ambient occlusion texture is not rendered on top of the diffuse texture. I suspect the AO texture map to be blocked by the SpecularMask controller also applied to the reef material. Can someone please remove that controller together with its container from the file and/or move them below the "Reef1AO.tga" texture map, and repeat the test? Another suspect is the "in-memory DX2/3 texture compression" flag that I checked both for the main and for the AO textures, but let's try with the SpecularMask controller first... __________________ _____________________ \|May the Force be with you!\| ...\/

02-02-17, 11:49 AM	#79
MLF Weps Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SW France Posts: 361 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Hi Gap, I assume there was a clash between ID's in your file and something in my set-up. Therefore I remapped IDs and all worked. The 2nd CTD was my being dumb - hadn't noticed that Kendras had included a Locations.cfg in his mod. Think his called up something not available in my setup. I found that by changing the Node-Reef1 Node Positioning Translation Y value I could lower and raise the reef in the water, actually submerging it altogether, or having it float in the air. Here is the your modified .dat file:- https://www.mediafire.com/?6h7401kv6ca55op MLF PS: - didn't see your last post re the ambient occlusion texture. Will give it a go, but maybe tomorrow. __________________ Je pense donc je fuis!

02-03-17, 09:17 AM	#81
Kendras Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Results of tests So, I placed your reef model and texture in my first mod. The file is placed in data/Terrain/Location, and placement written in data/Terrain/Locations.cfg. I have reworked your 3D model : 150% on Y axis, and 0 height at sea level. In Locations.cfg, if I set "On land=true", then the reef is not visible at all in game. So, I let on "false". In GAME: Here at depth = -17 m (checked in Mission editor). Note that the texture is not applied, the land is grey, but with a stone aspect. Above water: Under water: Under sea bed: *Now, at depth = -28 m, and specular mask deleted.* The same texture is applied above and underwater. Other thing : the sea surface is the same on the reef: *Crash test OK:* "Ouch !" "Help, we are stuck !!! The boat is flooding !!"

02-03-17, 10:06 AM	#82
MLF Weps Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SW France Posts: 361 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Hi Kendras Did you use the file I gave link for, or Gap's original file? I did as Gap asked, moved specular mask down under the "Reef1AO.tga" texture map - no change noticed. I then deleted the specular mask controller - again no difference noticed. I then created a Reef1AO Ambiant Occlusion controller - still no difference. Possibly there has been a change, and in my ignorance I've missed it , so what exactly should I be expecting to see? I have compared my original screenshots with the results of each change and no difference has been noticed. Can you explain what you did in more detail from your statement "I have reworked your 3D model : 150% on Y axis, and 0 height at sea level. In Locations.cfg, if I set "On land=true", then the reef is not visible at all in game. So, I let on "false".". What do you mean by 150% on the Y axis? __________________ Je pense donc je fuis! Last edited by MLF; 02-03-17 at 10:53 AM.

02-03-17, 01:20 PM	#88
MLF Weps Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SW France Posts: 361 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Weird that using the file Gap uploaded, your sub crashed into Gap's reef, yet mine and SquareSteelBar's sailed right through SH3 setup differences? My test setup is patched to 1.4b, with GWX and only 2 mods - Wise's type VIIC and the 4Gb patch. __________________ Je pense donc je fuis!