Torpedo anti-Torpedo

[Sunburn]

Hi Julhelm, I agree it's a combination of technological maturity and doctrinal needs but even back in the old days the sacrificial frigate was really more of a desperate measure against the Soviet wake-homing monsters rather than a conscious choice. It is reasonable to assume that if the USN had any other viable countermeasure they'd prefer it to losing an escort every time a Sov skipper got within range.

IIRC the command-detonation was a necessity in the Mk45 because it had no terminal homing of its own and relied on the firing sub's sonar picture for guidance (similar to nuclear SAMs in this manner). In Command we do in fact perform remote detonation of such weapons when they reach the estimated target position but it's something done automatically by the virtual sub crew, not manually by the player.

Thanks for your input!

[Herman]

Originally Posted by biosthetique

Now it is official:

http://defensetech.org/2013/10/28/na...gy/#more-21660

And the Torpedo anti-torpedo from Atlas-Elektronik:

http://www.atlas-elektronik.com/what...ons/seaspider/

Originally Posted by Herman

In direct response to a request for assistance from:

This video will demonstrate how Harpoon players can create their own weapons systems according to their own desires without any need to contact a developer, database manager, or video creator to do it on their behalf due to the openness of the publicly available Harpoon databases and the database editor program included with the game.

You can watch

A fundamental difference (and advantage) between an open game system like Harpoon and a closed one like MNO is the ability for users to create weapons systems like the ATD on their own in Harpoon.

Originally Posted by Sunburn

we can now look into implementing this capability properly in Command.

BTW, thanks for confirming my suspicion that it takes brand-new 2010s sonar technology and special mini "interceptor torps" to do this, and you can't do it with old conventional sonars and any traditional torp and certainly not a Mk48. You just confirmed the Clancy-SSN implementation was arcadish . Thanks man!

Actually, anyone planning to replicate the function already found in Harpoon should know that the anti-torpedo sonar is the same one as found on the ADCAP when it came out in the 1970s or so. No special advances in either sonar or torpedo technology were needed or used. This anti-torpedo function even works with old conventional sonar and a traditional torpedo for those wanting to simulate it in that manner. However, it would be great if this anti-torpedo function did not exhibit the same Pac-man behaviour shown by the Phoenix missiles in MNO.

Originally Posted by Julhelm

You don't need 2010-era tech to do it. It's just the USN needs to think about these things now that they no longer have ASW frigates to put in the wake of a carrier if someone launches a torpedo at it.

And it's not like the ability to detonate a weapon on command is some fantasy invention. The old Mk45 ASTOR had this very functionality and I'd be surprised it it weren't retained for later weapons.

Exactly right; we just demonstrated the ability to create anti-torpedo defense systems with technology from the 1970s.

[Julhelm]

Originally Posted by Sunburn

Hi Julhelm, I agree it's a combination of technological maturity and doctrinal needs but even back in the old days the sacrificial frigate was really more of a desperate measure against the Soviet wake-homing monsters rather than a conscious choice. It is reasonable to assume that if the USN had any other viable countermeasure they'd prefer it to losing an escort every time a Sov skipper got within range.

You could probably defeat a wake homer by firing ASROC rounds at it. After all a torpedo is just a very small submarine.