Computer purchasing advice

V13dweller · 05-08-13, 11:56 PM

If you do want some very good value, I recommend the AMD A-10 5800 series, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113280
These are a quite powerful, and these have a rather good on board GPU.
The AMD A-10 5800's have a clock of 3.7 Ghz and a 7660 on board GPU with 800 Mhz graphics clock, I have seen these play most games on medium (Using the on board GPU)
Some Gaming Laptops have these Quad Core A-10's and a HD 7970 and these can play most games on Ultra.
The A-10's built in graphics card allows for the use of games albeit nothing too intense, without the need of a separate GPU.
The A-10's GPU supersedes the Intel HD series by a massive margin, but the Intel HD series is not meant for gaming, but the 7660D is more than capable of performing.
I am still comfortable with my Phenom II, with the 7970 Ghz these perform brilliantly, even better with Crossfire.
My friends who use Phenom II are also very please with the value and performance.

Arclight · 05-09-13, 04:08 AM

7660D is still an integrated GPU though. It's going to struggle on higher resolutions, like the nowadays fairly typical 1920x1080. The GT650 he listed before will outperform it pretty substantially.

Sailor Steve · 05-09-13, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

If you do want some very good value, I recommend the AMD A-10 5800 series,

I've been looking at this one

I really don't understand what's what. Can you tell me how they compare?

V13dweller · 05-09-13, 08:03 PM

The A-10 series are not really gaming CPU but it does the job quite well.
And the integrated GPU allows for light gaming without a separate subsystem, and this little GPU packs quite a punch with it's 800 Mhz clock.
The A-10 also comes off the shelf at 3.7 Ghz and you can Turbo it to 4.2 Ghz if you feel the need.

Also, if your looking for a Gaming Laptop, you can pick up a MSI gaming laptop with using the A-10 and a 7970, you can get one for about $1000 AUD.
At this link http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/No...tebook#Reviews
This GPU also multitasks very well and provides good performance and it's price is very reasonable.
This computer has been received very well from it's customers and they claim to be able to play games perfectly well on ultra.
And they A-10 is able to play games at 1920x1080 using it's built in GPU as long as the games you play are not hardcore games.
I trust that Spike will not be a hardcore gamer if he uses this processor.

Sailor Steve · 05-09-13, 10:33 PM

I can already do all the light gaming I can handle. The reason I'm looking for new stuff is that I'm sick of playing at the bottom of the barrel.

A laptop is also the very last thing I want. I'm also planning on not spending more than half the price you listed. I guess I just live in a different world.

V13dweller · 05-09-13, 10:35 PM

The price of performance.

Arclight · 05-10-13, 12:07 AM

That's always the problem. People ask for advice on what to buy, you give them advice, they tell you it's too expensive.

But Steve, what are you looking to play? Trinity would struggle a bit with the latest games on full-HD resolutions, but if we're talking about running something like SH5 or earlier it should be a very cost-effective solution.

The CPU you listed is a normal one: that A-10 series has a GPU alongside the CPU, on the same chip. The benefit is a smaller package, which can be made cheaper. But due to size restrictions neither part is really top of the line. It's a good solution for a small form factor PC or affordable gaming laptop, though it falls short compared to more expensive, separate components.

V13dweller · 05-10-13, 04:27 AM

Intel gave NVidia quite a smack, when they announced their IRIS GPU/CPU, it has a 1400 Mhz GPU on board, but the CPU is the slower part, unlike the A-10. But IRIS has a much bigger price tag.
Most NVidia card go to about 900 Mhz on average.

You can't seem to have both a good CPU and a good GPU at the same time.

Sailor Steve · 05-10-13, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

That's always the problem. People ask for advice on what to buy, you give them advice, they tell you it's too expensive.

I didn't ask advice on what to buy. I asked what the differences were between the two systems. What I got sounded to me like a sales pitch, to which I always respond badly. Sorry about that.

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But Steve, what are you looking to play? Trinity would struggle a bit with the latest games on full-HD resolutions, but if we're talking about running something like SH5 or earlier it should be a very cost-effective solution.

I'm planning on a computer that will last me the rest of my life, running Rise Of Flight and Over Flanders Fields with all the stops out.

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The CPU you listed is a normal one: that A-10 series has a GPU alongside the CPU, on the same chip. The benefit is a smaller package, which can be made cheaper. But due to size restrictions neither part is really top of the line. It's a good solution for a small form factor PC or affordable gaming laptop, though it falls short compared to more expensive, separate components.

I understand that. On the other hand I have a pair of 5770s in crossfire mode that were gifted to me, and I don't mind buying a better card down the road. I just wondered what the differences are, and I still don't know.

HunterICX · 05-10-13, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

A laptop is also the very last thing I want. I'm also planning on not spending more than half the price you listed. I guess I just live in a different world.

Yes when it comes to Price-Performance you really want to avoid Gaming Laptops they're just too expensive if you want something that can run some of the games of today decently.

Perhaps this article may be of interest to you?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...a-pc,3443.html

And you're not living in a different world as that article shows for a decent gaming rig you don't need to waste that much, you just need to know what to get that delivers a nice bang for the buck and that article might give you some ideas.

HunterICX

05-08-13, 11:56 PM	#1
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	If you do want some very good value, I recommend the AMD A-10 5800 series, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113280 These are a quite powerful, and these have a rather good on board GPU. The AMD A-10 5800's have a clock of 3.7 Ghz and a 7660 on board GPU with 800 Mhz graphics clock, I have seen these play most games on medium (Using the on board GPU) Some Gaming Laptops have these Quad Core A-10's and a HD 7970 and these can play most games on Ultra. The A-10's built in graphics card allows for the use of games albeit nothing too intense, without the need of a separate GPU. The A-10's GPU supersedes the Intel HD series by a massive margin, but the Intel HD series is not meant for gaming, but the 7660D is more than capable of performing. I am still comfortable with my Phenom II, with the 7970 Ghz these perform brilliantly, even better with Crossfire. My friends who use Phenom II are also very please with the value and performance. Last edited by V13dweller; 05-09-13 at 01:29 AM.

05-09-13, 04:08 AM	#2
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	7660D is still an integrated GPU though. It's going to struggle on higher resolutions, like the nowadays fairly typical 1920x1080. The GT650 he listed before will outperform it pretty substantially. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

05-09-13, 08:03 PM	#4
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	The A-10 series are not really gaming CPU but it does the job quite well. And the integrated GPU allows for light gaming without a separate subsystem, and this little GPU packs quite a punch with it's 800 Mhz clock. The A-10 also comes off the shelf at 3.7 Ghz and you can Turbo it to 4.2 Ghz if you feel the need. Also, if your looking for a Gaming Laptop, you can pick up a MSI gaming laptop with using the A-10 and a 7970, you can get one for about $1000 AUD. At this link http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/No...tebook#Reviews This GPU also multitasks very well and provides good performance and it's price is very reasonable. This computer has been received very well from it's customers and they claim to be able to play games perfectly well on ultra. And they A-10 is able to play games at 1920x1080 using it's built in GPU as long as the games you play are not hardcore games. I trust that Spike will not be a hardcore gamer if he uses this processor. Last edited by V13dweller; 05-09-13 at 08:16 PM.

05-09-13, 10:33 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I can already do all the light gaming I can handle. The reason I'm looking for new stuff is that I'm sick of playing at the bottom of the barrel. A laptop is also the very last thing I want. I'm also planning on not spending more than half the price you listed. I guess I just live in a different world. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-09-13, 10:35 PM	#6
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	The price of performance. Last edited by V13dweller; 05-09-13 at 11:44 PM.

05-10-13, 12:07 AM	#7
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	That's always the problem. People ask for advice on what to buy, you give them advice, they tell you it's too expensive. But Steve, what are you looking to play? Trinity would struggle a bit with the latest games on full-HD resolutions, but if we're talking about running something like SH5 or earlier it should be a very cost-effective solution. The CPU you listed is a normal one: that A-10 series has a GPU alongside the CPU, on the same chip. The benefit is a smaller package, which can be made cheaper. But due to size restrictions neither part is really top of the line. It's a good solution for a small form factor PC or affordable gaming laptop, though it falls short compared to more expensive, separate components. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

05-10-13, 04:27 AM	#8
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	Intel gave NVidia quite a smack, when they announced their IRIS GPU/CPU, it has a 1400 Mhz GPU on board, but the CPU is the slower part, unlike the A-10. But IRIS has a much bigger price tag. Most NVidia card go to about 900 Mhz on average. You can't seem to have both a good CPU and a good GPU at the same time.