UK Politics Thread

[STEED]

If this is true the end result of this the UK will remain in the EU because Parliament lied all along to us. I am now far more concerned about them breaking the law which they put in stone. How the heck can anyone vote for criminals!

From Skys link

The European Union is poised to tell Theresa May that she must hold a second referendum or soften Brexit in return for them granting a lengthy delay to Britain’s departure date.

The Times understands that the prime minister has been told by senior EU officials and other European leaders that conditions for an extension to the Article 50 exit process would include the option of a second vote on EU membership.

Mrs May is expected to ask a summit of EU leaders next week for a delay to Brexit. Unless the House of Commons has ratified the withdrawal agreement.....

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The Times writes the EU will agree a delay only if the UK holds a second referendum. Would not be the first time that the EU enforces a repeating of voting procedures when the first vote did not had the result that was demanded.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...543d-190417541

But the House has voted that there will be no second referendum. And the scum in Brussel certainly has taken note of that - this demand now tells what the EU scum really thinks of sovereignty of nations and parliamentary democracy. Their blabla is only a farce.

I will find the egg-dancing ahead most entertaining. I am certain there are some who indeed would support that - and would love to disregard the just held voting. The soap must continue! I need a bigger reserve of popcorn.

Matters are getting beyond farcical now......double on that popcorn reserve, I may well be joining you.

[Skybird]

I think the scenario Der Spiegel depivts in my translator link is even more farcical. And it could mean that the UK brings the EU into very rough waters indeed. Maybe they should threatne more obviously to play that card. It should cause white faces in Brussels.


I also like the looming threat of estblishing an extreme low tax regime in the UK to compete for businesses and companies. It would put a challenge to the socialist endless plduneeing dream on the continent and the hilarious maximum taxation habits we have over here. It has become unacceptably excessive - and they want to rais eever more taxes. Protection money blackmailers they are. One half of an ordinary income, even more, must be handed over to their wickedplans and fraudulent schemes. I call it modern state slavery, and I am bitterly serious. Time to gag them. If not now, when then...? We need more tax havens again, more states willing to show the middle finger to the maximum taxation tyrannies, states that take the claimserious to compete for the best specialists and workers and companies by making themeselves attractive again. Nothing shows faster how limited and impotent socialist planned economy dreams are, nothign brings them to an end faster, than market competition.


I could even imagine the UK to dleiver an especially hurting sting to the EU by rivalling Italy in a bid to become China'S dominant European anchor state for the Wetsenr end of the Silk road project. Dangerous to be partners with the Chinese, however, one has to be constantly on guard and resist the temptation to overspend oneself with Chinese help into the Chinese credit trap. But wouldnt that make Eurocrats fume in Brussel if London turns out to become Chinas preferred Silk Road partner in Europe...? LOL Its not very likely, however, but one can dream, yes?

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I think the scenario Der Spiegel depivts in my translator link is even more farcical. And it could mean that the UK brings the EU into very rough waters indeed. Maybe they should threatne more obviously to play that card. It should cause white faces in Brussels.

Problem is Sky we got a interfering busy body PM who voted "REMAIN" in the referendum who clearly is not hitting back any more. Up to the end of 2018 she was saying big things like we will leave and turn the UK into a tax haven long with a few other comment but this year she has been a wet soggy paper bag. Parliament in most part wants to remain in the EU and has shown us this fact this week by breaking their own law in stone saying we will leave the EU on the 29th March 2019 with or without a deal.

I see no hope what so ever, the political elite have stitched up the UK like a kipper.

[STEED]

Pro-EU MP Nick Boles resigns from local Conservative party over Brexit

In a letter to members of the Grantham and Stamford Conservative Association, Mr Boles said he was "not willing to do what would be necessary to restore a reasonable working relationship with a group of people whose values and views are so much at odds with my own".

He will continue to sit as the Conservative MP for the constituency, but his association will be free to choose another candidate for the next general election.

https://news.sky.com/story/pro-eu-mp...rexit-11667069

Hang on can he do that? What is he some sort of Ind-Con?

[Skybird]

Not just the UK. London is everywhere. In Germany it is as bad. I am not so unforgivingly hostile to politicians for no reason.

[Jimbuna]

Never fear, Nigel is here

Nigel Farage leads march over Brexit betrayal https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...exit-betrayal/

[Mr Quatro]

I have always been for what the people of the UK want and have clearly voiced and voted their desire to leave the EU, but the final verdict is still on hold.

This has taken so long to complete that the minds in charge of the UK leaving the European Union (on both sides of the channel) now want a re-vote by the people in hopes they will change their mind and stay in the EU.

Which is completely wrong to me.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I have always been for what the people of the UK want and have clearly voiced and voted their desire to leave the EU, but the final verdict is still on hold.

This has taken so long to complete that the minds in charge of the UK leaving the European Union (on both sides of the channel) now want a re-vote by the people in hopes they will change their mind and stay in the EU.

Which is completely wrong to me.

It was and is not clear at all.

1. The leading brexiters like Johnson, Farage, Banks have betrayed the people with lies that have been called out. After the "referendum". Part of them have meanwhile confessed they lied.
2. Brexit was staged by some rich who thought they would fare better without the EU. From EU-granted workers rights, to payment, to firing, to create a tax haven for themselves, and generally not have to care for certain values or restrictions. And now they are all leaving .. hmmm
3. The brexiters who after all got the UK into this situation ran away in the second they saw that brexit was even feasible. No one of this treacherous scum had any idea about what to do, and they all ran away when they had to deliver the brexit thay preached.
4. The referendum was not legally binding, England has a representative democracy not designed for referendums. But no one cared.
5. If at all there should have been a real public vote for or against staying with the EU, with a certain significant majority as a precondition for such an important, all-changing decision. The way it is now it only divides the people.
6. Last not least the brexit and leave campaign has been financed and influenced by Russia, by paying some rich a$$holes to make them even richer, and by "social media" companies trying to bend the referendum the russian way (Cambridge Analytica, but not only). Arron Banks may be accused in court, but again it seems no one cares or asks questions.
7. Cummings.. is another chapter. Seems he was not in for the money or political spin, but i wonder what he learned in those three years, in Russia.

In that light and with all this information a new real vote (not a "referendum") with a 2/3rd majority should be held indeed, but it seems Banks and some other brexiters of course fear a result, especially when the missing third of young voters appears on the scene.

Poor Boris Johnson, it seems he is the only one who did get no money out of it.

[Skybird]

It is quite revealing that the British political caste as well as the eU politicla caste follow their own rules only if they see fit to do so, and violate their own rules if they see fit. In other words: to them, rules mean nothing. Treaties mean nothing. Laws mean nothing.

The EU once said that if only one nation's people would say No, the Eu coinstitution could not pass and would bea a thing fo the past. Then the Diutch saiud No. The Irish said No. The french said No. The reaciton of the EU: they called for ans insisted ona time of relfeciton that it used to mount unfoirseen pressure on the giovenbrment of these nations to vilklate the previuozsly an dunaninmously agree rule, they intimdated and bribed them into holding another referendum, and they indicated that if the answer would be again a No, they would enforce even a third referendum. The dictgate of Lisbon then was passed,Valery Giscard d'Estaing as well as Helmut Schmnidt as well as late ron Roman Herzig said that it was indeed just the same text as in the first referendum, only the paragrpahs reshuffled, and conflict-heavy content beignb hidden in massively boosted appendices where it was more difficult to find.

Such is the understanding of democracy and the people as the first and only sovereign in a state from which all power and legitimation emits. Democracy (modern) and majority votes as decision building principle only as long as it delivers what the party fat cats demand to see in results - else dictatorship, treason, betrayal, bribery, blackmaling, intimidation, threats.

That is neither democracy (modern), nor freedom. Its syndicate crime. And the EU excels in that - but as we can see, the British caste of politicians are in hot pursuit. On both sides of the channel they all should end up on the gallow.


If ordinary Peter or Paul would behave like these people, they would disappear behind bars for many, many years to come. Not so politicians. They have a career from doing so. Privileges on and on. Special lgal status saving them from the law and order shcmees the orindary man gets subjected to. And they will neve r be held accoutnab le, they will not be held liable with their own wealth and rights and property.



Here we see an experienced politician on the left, and a newbie to politics on the right.

[STEED]

Nuts to Brexit lets play who will be the next LibDem leader.

Sir Vince Cable has announced he will step down as leader of the Liberal Democrats in May, saying it has been a "privilege" to lead the party at a "crucial time".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47587677

This needs a bit of a study as I'm rusty on the world of LibDems.

Catfish could be at home with them and they did declare a while ago you don't have to be a MP.

[Catfish]

@Steed (from the article posted):

"Whoever leads the party next will be starting from a relatively low base and renewing the party's appeal will be at once an opportunity and a daunting task."

But this means real.. work!? Nope

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I have got enough of this nonsense. The UK already had favourable membership conditions (exceptions from rules, reduced membership costs, etc.) and that wasn't enough. Then your overnment comes into the negotiation table thinking that they could get better terms than the UK had as a member state. Why would the EU and its remaining member states accept that?


Here is this voter's wish list to the EU leadership:


1. Withdraw that "divorce deal". The House of Common does not want it. There is no point in wasting time in this political merry-go-around.


2. No extensions. There is almost zero chance that the House of Commons would agree to any credible alternative plan. Additional time for the same old bickering is unacceptable.


3. Make sure the UK knows where the exit door is and how to use it. There is atleast one positive thing it the Brexit: One whiner less in the negotiation table.

[mapuc]

Going away from this EU-Brexit discussion with a question about the English Parliament.

A question I keep on forgetting to ask you.

Most of the time when I see an English politicians making a speech I see row of books laying with the back up and the opening down on the table in front of them.

What kind of books is that ? The English law or The English Charter ?

Back to this EU-Brexit discussion

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Going away from this EU-Brexit discussion with a question about the English Parliament.

A question I keep on forgetting to ask you.

Most of the time when I see an English politicians making a speech I see row of books laying with the back up and the opening down on the table in front of them.

What kind of books is that ? The English law or The English Charter ?

Back to this EU-Brexit discussion

Markus

As far as I can regain it from some forgotten corners of my memory:


You have there a golden mace that symbolises the monarch'S authority and presence, if the mace is removed, any procededings must be brought to a stop until the mace is brought back. The books are editions of books of ceremonial relevance, for example during inaugurations, included is a bible, plus publications of older, earlier Commons publications and so-called Acts of Parliament. Then there is plenty of pragmatic stuff, like glasses for water, empty paper if somebody needs it, and so forth. The left and right side benches are kept apart by a certain distance that in older ages represented twice the length of longswords or hellbards, so that if emotions got hot and during a debate weapons were drawn, members of the house nevertheless would not accidentally strike and hurt or even kill each other becasue there was and sitll is kind of a ritualised bane that demands that you stay on ypur side of the room/benches that matches your party. That is also the reaosn why so many members must stand and even stay outside the room, becasue the place has not sufficient places to sit for all. Its all pretty ritualised, and s bit chaotic in my perception, but this love for ceremonial stuff and ritual is what we love in them Brits and their monarchy, don'T we.



Think of it as something like Gormenghast.